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The Mother of all Mastering thread
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 10, 2006 22:20
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bandarlog
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Posted : Jan 11, 2006 02:01
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This thread and especially the tutorial helped me a lot! Thanks guys!  |
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Janue
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 03:31
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On 2005-09-27 09:31, texmex wrote:
I recommend you to check out the Izotope Ozone 3, it's quite a package mastering. It's a good tool to get professional sound quickly.
http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/
Note though... I recommend to use it in 24-bit/96khz audio, as the mastering reverb in it will sound a lot better in that sample rate, i don't know why.
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I can explain this
When u have 24 bits and 96khz of quality u have 24bits=16,777.216 steps of volume in normal quality 16Bits u have 65,336 steps of volume u can do this doing this... 2 plus exponent 24 or 16
Also ifu record or do something on 24bits it's recomended to dhiter to 16 bits this only if u have recorded or mix everything on 24b well i hope i got it right  correct me if im wrong
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 15:17
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 15:23
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does anyone uses macrodynamic-editing on mastering trancetunes? i never did, but could be interesting maybe...
maybe this would trance give more character and motion. |
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texmex
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 16:59
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On 2006-01-12 03:31, Dual brother(janue) wrote:
I can explain this
When u have 24 bits and 96khz of quality u have 24bits=16,777.216 steps of volume in normal quality 16Bits u have 65,336 steps of volume u can do this doing this... 2 plus exponent 24 or 16
correct me if im wrong
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The reverb sounded the same for 16-bit and 24-bit (because ozone uses 64-bit accuracy internally so it doesn't matter). But 44/48khz <-> 96khz the reverb sounds different. Much smoother in 96khz.
But maybe it was a bug or something... haven't done comparision lately. |
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cytopia
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 22:11
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Anyone have any experience with the X5 plugin for powercore, or the MD3 for mastering?
If so, were they any good? Think i will try the demo versions to test them soon....
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 20:19
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Rather than start a new thread i thought i'd just ask here..
If i wanna use the Psp Vintage warmer & the Waves L2..what should i apply first..the Limiter or the vintage warmer?
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 20:22
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Whoops just read the thread from the beginning & cytopia had already answered my question..
apparently its the vintage warmer 1st & then the limiter..sorry!
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 20:35
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Limiter of any sort .... always LAST in the mastering chain ... ITS A FUCKIN RULE !  |
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etnarama
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UnderTow
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Cytopia, The type 2 dither in the Waves plugin is an incomplete dither and shouldn't be used (Arround 3 dB instead of the necessary 4.7 dB). It will leave truncation distortion when going to 16 bit. (I think it was designed to go to 8 bit or something like that ...)
Also, don't use any shaping for dance music. Noise shaping dither is for music that will be listened to at lower volumes. For music that is to be played on a big PA, you want flat dither. (See the equal loudness curves thread for the logic behind this).
I never "master" my own tracks. I have a Voxengo Elephant2 in the master bus when I write the music. Sometimes I might have a waves LinMB in there too or a Voxengo Marquis in "parrallel mode" by mixing in the dry signal. Usualy though, I prefer fixing most of the dynamics in the individual tracks or group busses.
My philosophy behind my "no mastering" approach is that I want to hear what the end product will be from the start of the writing process. If something doesn't sound right, I fix it straight away. So I mix _into_ the limiter and stereo bus compressor.
One thing I certainly wouldn't do is add "mastering reverb". If the track sounds too dry, fix your mix. Add layers and stuff.  I find it much nicer if you keep the contrast between the reverbed and dry sounds. It gives more back to front depth to the mix.
I also don't use any stereo enhancers on the mix bus.
I'll have various stereo enhancers and phase rotators etc on individual sounds (Like all the wooshes, FX, pads, atmospherics etc). This gives a much cleaner and punchy mix.
The kick, bass, snare and main percussion will be nicely in the middle, leadz a bit wider, various percussion sounds panned when needed and the pads and effects right out on the sides and a bit back in the back to front depth. If you start adding phase tricks on the main mix, this effect gets a bit lost.
And keeping with the same philosophy, I don't EQ the main mix bus either. That is all done on the individual sounds and group busses.
The kick and the bass will have a highpass at 16-30 Hz (depending on the material), other sounds will be hipassed higher up etc. If the mix doesn't sound bright enough, I will usualy add some high-end to parts of the percussion like hihats and cymbals to make it nice and crisp and stick out from the rest of the mix.
As you might have guessed by now, I don't use any "analogue warming emulation" in the mix bus either. I might use it on individual sounds but then again, I have a Battle Synth Andromeda.
Of course this is just my way of doing things. There is no "right" way of doing things. Use what works for you.
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e-motion
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Posted : Jun 9, 2006 16:32
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analogue warming emulation... what plugins do this? |
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D-Alien
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Posted : Jun 9, 2006 16:45
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...ok
lets continue this treat
I see a lot ppl use th Isotop. It was recomended to me too. when I've played a bit with it I was really surprised.. amazing tool!!! BUT...! as new to mastering process I have like 1 milion of cuestions about specific configurations... for example..
Imagine we want to master a standart night time trance track. I mean psy with strong roaring bass, strong kik with presence in all spectrum, hihats, snares and synths.
so I bounce a nuncompressed, mixed file as described here, 24bit, -3, -4db in the master chain, etc. so We open this track in Isotop, there are a lot of presets but better construct our own configuration right? First we are doing what? Loudness maximizer, or harmonics exiter, or the Stereo enhancer, or the multiband copression... what u suggest.. where to begin.. also I've bemerked that in the ludnes maximizer section there is this part with the dithering... pleaseee. explain to my unexperienced person what this ditering actually do (as i dont hear some big diference in theoutput)? why 8bit, 16, 24?? I mean where i should apply this?
other cuestion is? in the stereo imaging i put first two bands (the low freqs) with strong mono output, I mean no stereo spread at all, right? but the other 2 bands I put a gradually increasing stereo spread, right? also what does the delay slider do? in the stereo-spread function...
also.. after I'm putting some accpetable configuration in isotope i put the L2 but here becomes the mess.. I should use it Agresivly or carefully... also, should i use this L2 anyway????
thanx masters
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Posted : Jun 9, 2006 23:21
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... bla bla bla...
why dont you leave that for professionals?...
... bla bla bla... and the beat goes on... |
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