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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 13:53
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i like the low ,i find it not really thin so i think it s cause of dac and amp ppl report stuff like this. or it comes from ppl that like hyped bass for listning music. the low can be just a little bit in the background though but i think it s what contribute to give this headphone good separation between everyhting in the mix. i really enjoy it !
some might think it s faltering with the way i describe it but not really,some probably would say it s the opposite of flatering .. on good mix its the soundstage ,separation and amout of details that is impressing me, the sound is not conjested. |
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Taisto
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 15:57
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Exacly, with 701 i'v been starting to release how many (even mainstream) electronic tracks are actually badly produced, but it is really ejoyable to spot a track with Akg which is well produced, balanced and rich, full of harmonics. Also in my opinion if the high freq souns too hars on Akg it is too hars on the mix, thats it.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 18:35
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i should have bought these cans long time ago..i regret i went with beyer.. had the dt 770 for month then dt 880 for a few years i thought it was good as cans could be .. it s personal taste but really enjoy more akg like i never enjoyed the beyers.
with the closed ath m50 it will complement well , it offer a bit the opposite picture it s not as detailed in mids and highs and don t offer that spacial sound and separation , it s more conjested but with stronger punchy bumped bass and flatering warm sound |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 19:11
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i was comparing both and the ath m50 sound really good , in your face sound with tons of punch , the akg have really different sound..both focus on different area and show a different picture..harsh in the highs in the akg jump on you, some tracks can be almost unlistenable, but it s the mix not the cans.. the sound is a lot more separated too, bass, mids, highs, wide, open imaging and lot of details..the ath m50 sound like everyhting is toghther and more in the center in comparaison, but it s good too, i find it maybe more "similar" to what i m used with monitors .both cans to me are close in term of sound quality but show a really different pitcure..the akg feel a bit better on the head , it s one of the best cans i used for this but the ath feel good too, both are light. |
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 19:41
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But 200 euros for the AKG? Too much for me i wish i could buy something like these, all my productions nowadays are made with Headphones, and its very tiresome for the ears, i'm getting that strange buzz, like a bizzzzzzzzzzzzz, probably have to stop for while
Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 15, 2012 19:44
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yeah maybe u use them too loud? i will have to use way more headphone soon so i hope it not really a pain like it seems to be . the major problem to me was with my beyer cause it hurt on top of my head i couldnt keep these cans more than 1 hour on my head..before getting crazy ,shoudl be better with the akg , ath is fine for this too, i would say between the beyers and the akg.
ath m50 is great too and cheaper, and anyhting can drive it fine but it s so much personal taste..one really have to listen to judge for himself.
if you are after really flat frequency response, you will maybe not find it, but it s in the range where it s possible to get really good mix with help of reference..
yesterday i did a kick bass just to test the akg lowend i was not too sure about it but wihtout much effort i could match the sound of reference i was comparing it..i loop 2 bar with one my kick bass, one the reference that way it s easy to tweak the source to get close sound, then a little eq and could almost can t distinguish both ,check on monitors it was fine, , the eq i could eaer it fine when tweaking.. on some cans i don t so was really happy of the akg , i thought it might be a pain to get kick bass on these as the first bassline i did wihtout any reference didnt translate like i wanted, but with a reference it was not a problem, i might still use the ath m50 for this though, and then check and maybe adjust with the akg 701. imo it s more easier on these cans to mix in a room that have too much problems like mine in the low/low mids.. |
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Taisto
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 03:59
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Now after few days giving those Focals a chance to prove themself with all kind of imagenable music i'm actually quite dissapointed their lazy and muddy bass and hidden mids. When i A/B them with my Akg they sound like the music is coming from neightbours house.. what a suprise actually, when i was thinking that they could be something exiting. They have some nice smokie sound and warmness in the sky, but jou they are missing the whole presence. I try to burn them up littlebit and giving them a chance, but for that money i dont think they going to improve that much.
Very boxy, boomy, lack of low mids/mids. highs are there but feels like they just having their own private party without any fun. Vocals somehow sound quite nice from them..
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 11:37
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it s bass heavy ! http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=3631&graphID[]=703
i m not sure but from the closed cans i used it tend to not sound as flat and open that make pefect sense cause of the reflection it probably screw the sound more than open or semi open cans
did you hear any improvment with time on the akg ?i m a bit sceptical on this.. had the impression my focal speaker improved with a bit of time to sound more articulated and relaxed but not sure. |
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 13:04
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Yeah, i would say i have around 500-1000 hours now with akg and the sound image is most defenetly more wider and relaxed than in beginning. I can hear for example reverb tails much more clearly. But most wonderful thing is how bass part is now more truely deep and stronger, even its still kind of same level with other image. Not sound boosted but working its ass off.. Trebles are a bit softer and midside is more open and veryvery wide and detailed. Overall sound is more presence and feels warmer.
I have read that they should come even better after 1000-2000 hours, but to me this is just fine already 
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 15:04
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nice, if the low get better it s great .
a negative point on the akg is the straight cable, a bit a pain i have to run it behind synth,computer.. i like coiled better. and that grey color is not really nice but that dont really matter.. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 16:08
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Got a pair of them new Pioneer HDJ-1500. Great for listening to music, have helped me fix minor things in tracks, they are bass heavy, basically sound like there is a club inside your head. Great isolation, not flat at all for mixing, although a pleasure to write music on and bring it back in my studio to properly mix.
The more I am getting used to them, the more I trust them to write music on.
Here's what they look like, put them on my x0xb0x for size reference.
And this is what they look like on your head, they give you flashing eyes as well 
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 17:20
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 18:39
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from what i remember it s not as spacious detailed and linear, the dt 880 is more linear and critical/detailed like the akg but it s far to be as spacious and it s too unplesant to produce/listening for long period ,it s very critical making it a good reference but except that the akg 701 seems to surpass it in many/most aspects for my taste.
the dt 770 have more bumped low and highs and it s closed if u need that , i would check the ath m50 too i really like it but both don t have the soundstage of the akg 701 so if you are after that you will probably be disapointed.
btw i heard good mix out of all these cans by some friends or producers on the net, in a VA you wouldn t know if a tune was made on cans, it could be even the best sounding one..it s really about getting used, trials and errors, i think these are very capable and it might be about personal taste.. |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 19:16
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maybe check http://www.headphone.com/index.php for their "what they think" pages on cans.
from the cans i have i can say the sound description are true.
ath m50 and akg 701 are both in the top 10 while the beyer dt serie and hd 600 are not if i m not mistaken but after it s so much about taste..
for that soundstage i think you wont find alternative to the akg in that price range, some like it more than hd800..it seems it s ever you love it or hate it.. drunk it might make me want to vomit on some psytune .. it s so spacial with a headphone soundstage..some dont like this at all, but for psytrance it make me really go inside the sound and it offer good separation of everyhting ,for classical it might be great too..but for some rock it might be a bit special i don t know..i have read a few times some find it separate too much the instrument from each other..but i love that |
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Cosmo Circle
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Posted : Nov 16, 2012 20:07
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Audiotechnica ATH M50 all the way...
high quality headphones, very resistant!
cheap compared to others of similar reputation
i own a pair for 4 years now, they keep their high quality audio as they were new, and i use them intensivly as they are allways on my
studio output every day working many hours...
they are nice to use, a bit to hot for use in the summer as the leather will heat your ears a bit if you use if for long time, but in the winter they will keep you very confortable using them, i am from Portugal and the wheater here is very hot, but if you are in northen europe countries it shouldnt be a problem...
the best of this headphones is indeed how they sound, they are excelent for creating basses since they offer very acurate bass response, you will never had the common problem of hearing the bass nice on the headphones and then sound muddy in bigger soundsystems, the bass response is exacly what it will sound in decent monitors or bigger sound systems...
the mids are the weaker part, they are not bad, they are good, but they sound a bit lower than they are in reality, but its a minor thing, and if you known them well and if you have a nice studio monitors you will now that you need to increase 1 or 2 db the mids...
the highs are also very smoth and acurate, this headphones are very good for mixing hi-hats and overal percussive elements
they also offer excelent panoramics as they are closed headphones, if your working in post mixing, and you need a better acurate stereoimage they will do very well..
i absolute recomend them for everyone
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