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Overhuman
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Posted : Aug 16, 2007 00:47
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so it means if im using this caculator I will know the mseconds for compresion on the bass in the release? attack? or ratio? sorry if its a stupid question but i found this very interesting and important to me
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 16, 2007 07:03
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On 2007-08-16 00:47, Overhuman wrote:
so it means if im using this caculator I will know the mseconds for compresion on the bass in the release? attack? or ratio? sorry if its a stupid question but i found this very interesting and important to me
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Almost.
Using this calculator you can calculate the mseconds for 1/16th notes (or 8th, 4th, etc). From there you can get the ballpark of your attack/release settings (not ratio or threshold). Every bass sound will need fine tuning of the settings to get it to fit with everything else. Ratio and threshold you set by ear since they are independent of time.
So when dealing with a 1/16th note bassline, use this calculator to figure out (roughly) how fast your attack/release settings should be (ie mseconds of a 1/16th note for the bpm of your track).
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Seamoon
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 22:43
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can somebody share some tipps about group compression.
how to set up the compressor?
i usually set the threshsold one or two db lower than the bass (mostly the kick is about 4 db louder than my bass).
the ratio is about 5-8, my attack about 30-50ms and with the release i'm always not shure how to set it.
do you set it about 100ms so that the release is about 1/16th or is it better to set the release abou 400ms so that it's about 1/4th? |
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LivePsy
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 01:50
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Always trust your ears.
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Also trust your bass line resampled so you can see it. You can learn much about the time domain (rather than the frequency domain) by looking at it. My kicks and basses were far too long until I had a look.
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 23:44
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 23:48
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Maybe. Where's the kick?
Sounds pretty meaty by itself, but hard to say without the kick.
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ph234ky
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 00:33
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ph234ky
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 02:04
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Ooops, sorry for terrible english... |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 15:19
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Sounds pretty good. Kick is kind of sharp and needs some EQing in the higher frequencies. Bass needs a cut right around 950Hz to take out some of the 'honk'.
But they lay well together, the kick doesn't step on the bass. The bass gets down low enough on the middle note.
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 18:44
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On 2007-08-19 22:43, Seamoon wrote:
can somebody share some tipps about group compression.
how to set up the compressor?
i usually set the threshsold one or two db lower than the bass (mostly the kick is about 4 db louder than my bass).
the ratio is about 5-8, my attack about 30-50ms and with the release i'm always not shure how to set it.
do you set it about 100ms so that the release is about 1/16th or is it better to set the release abou 400ms so that it's about 1/4th?
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Uh... this is a very difficult topic to give advice on because it depends so much on what's in the group.
I assume you are referring to compression on a group of kick and bass.
No idea about the threshold and ratio settings - these depend entirely on the nature of your kick and bass. You'll have to trust your ears. Bring the threshold low enough to have the compressor engage, and set the ratio high (~8:1) while setting the attack/release. Then back the ratio down as much as you can while fine tuning the threshold. You can balance the threshold and ratio by pulling the threshold lower and lower as you bring down the ratio.
As for the attack/release settings, it seems like you'd be in the right ballpark for the tempo trance is written at. That fast of an attack will let the initial kick transients through, which will make the kick more/less loud. For the release, I'd guess (*GUESS* mind you) that the 1/4 note setting would be more appropriate as that is how long a KBBB would take. If you find the 1/16th sounds better then your kick is probably too loud/dynamic and should be polished on it's own a bit more.
When compressing the kick and bass together, try to keep your ratio low. If you have to crank the ratio then the kick and bass aren't balanced enough to begin with and you should go back to their individual tracks and tweak more.
Hope that helps,
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Seamoon
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 12:58
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yeah thanx, nice impulses to thought about it.
i noticed that the attack settings affect the kick, and the release affect the bass. i usually end up with an release between 200-400ms.
i also think about why doing group compression (kick+bass)?
at least i will make the bass and kick sounding more as one unit, but can't you achieve that without compression, for example by eqing the bass and the kick together (instead of compressing them together) in a group?
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ph234ky
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 14:25
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Thx, fuzzi! |
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psycolic
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 00:19
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Which bassline do we use to make dark stuff?(eg. Blissargon Demogorgon - Vodka Is Evil).I'm very curious about it. Used FL sometimes but never found the right bassline for fullon/dark. Maybe I searched badly  .
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knocz
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 17:00
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Hi psycolic!
If you read this topic you know the meaning of the
KbbbKbbbKbbbKbbb
That above is a standard dark bassline.
Usually you use lower notes for the dark bass (if you want to play black metal or dark stuff on your guitar you usually tune down your guitar to get lower notes).
Here is a fruityloops project with a dark bassline (I don't use that kick or bass, but I wanted to use fl standard sounds)
http://download.yousendit.com/922C55C17BD0E67E
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psycolic
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 21:35
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Thank you very much for your help knocz
Peace
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