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mitsimistrator
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Posted : Sep 18, 2007 16:05
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Jedi_Knight, the circumstances make us be far way from psychedelia like it is nowdays(playing progressive in a psy party)
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We are always there !!! But not in the manner that some people want us to be!
Psychedelia is inside all off us !!!
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On 2007-09-13 17:19, Gopendragon wrote:
Could anyone bring back the magic bus?
A very few remeber the psychedelicious magic bus
when it was taking a ride from party to party..
Does anyone remeber music like prana of battle of the future buddhas? very few I suppose... |
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Of course we do... 
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On 2007-09-13 17:19, Gopendragon wrote:
The system in greece dont let the scene to survive,those who have the luck to enjoy the first steps somewere at the midth of 90's ,we just keep the golden days as a nostalgic memmory.
The only thing we can do is just make an old school
psy -party with music from the early goatics of 90's,till the early psy-techs of 00's,just to refresh our memmories and then back to home again..
Or continue to experience the RUSTY NIGHTS..
R.I.P
GOLDEN DAYS
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and if we do it, everybody's is invited and then they can tell us if it was a great party and if it has any relation with nowadays parties...
But I'm sure that someone will come up and say that it was a crap... 
So he'd probaply go to  
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Giannis
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Posted : Sep 19, 2007 08:19
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On 2007-09-18 16:05, mitsimistrator wrote:
Jedi_Knight, the circumstances make us be far way from psychedelia like it is nowdays(playing progressive in a psy party)
the fact that one style we call it psytrance and the other progressive trance doesn't mean that prog is not psychedelic (the point is not how we call it but the way you feel it when you listening it)
a lot of prog music is more psychedelic than those music(s) you call psytrance
let me take an example. antix is a classical project of prog music which has influences all the afterwards prog music. so, what are you trying to say that their music is not psychedelic?( im repeating not the way we call it the way you feel it when you are listening to it), and in party with antix there are no psy vibes? give me a break, it is 1000 times more psy than those you mean with the term psytrance
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Sep 19, 2007 11:29
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On 2007-09-18 16:05, mitsimistrator wrote:
Jedi_Knight, the circumstances make us be far way from psychedelia like it is nowdays(playing progressive in a psy party)
But...
We are always there !!! But not in the manner that some people want us to be!
Psychedelia is inside all off us !!!
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On 2007-09-13 17:19, Gopendragon wrote:
Could anyone bring back the magic bus?
A very few remeber the psychedelicious magic bus
when it was taking a ride from party to party..
Does anyone remeber music like prana of battle of the future buddhas? very few I suppose... |
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Of course we do...
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On 2007-09-13 17:19, Gopendragon wrote:
The system in greece dont let the scene to survive,those who have the luck to enjoy the first steps somewere at the midth of 90's ,we just keep the golden days as a nostalgic memmory.
The only thing we can do is just make an old school
psy -party with music from the early goatics of 90's,till the early psy-techs of 00's,just to refresh our memmories and then back to home again..
Or continue to experience the RUSTY NIGHTS..
R.I.P
GOLDEN DAYS
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and if we do it, everybody's is invited and then they can tell us if it was a great party and if it has any relation with nowadays parties...
But I'm sure that someone will come up and say that it was a crap...
So he'd probaply go to
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unefortunately new generation dont even respect the roots of goa trance,if u give them listen trance music from 90's,they say "what crap is this,it soft and much slow not psychedelic at all,dark is faster with harder prioni and more psy,and if I wanna listen mellodies I can do it with full on.."
So I think that the most from the new generation dont wanna come to an old scholl party...Thats why the golden years wont never come back,because new generation dont like the music of the past,past is past,present is present,and this is natural,because they havent live it by dancing in planetarioum stage or under the mushroom  (a re aleko) and around the totem,or in alimos and voula beach,or...
At least I belive that we all lived samothraki 2001.2002.....05 ,so nobody disapointed these was really golden years!!!
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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mitsimistrator
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Posted : Sep 19, 2007 16:02
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On 2007-09-19 08:19, Giannis wrote:
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On 2007-09-18 16:05, mitsimistrator wrote:
Jedi_Knight, the circumstances make us be far way from psychedelia like it is nowdays(playing progressive in a psy party) |
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the fact that one style we call it psytrance and the other progressive trance doesn't mean that prog is not psychedelic (the point is not how we call it but the way you feel it when you listening it)
a lot of prog music is more psychedelic than those music(s) you call psytrance
let me take an example. antix is a classical project of prog music which has influences all the afterwards prog music. so, what are you trying to say that their music is not psychedelic?( im repeating not the way we call it the way you feel it when you are listening to it), and in party with antix there are no psy vibes? give me a break, it is 1000 times more psy than those you mean with the term psytrance
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In this manner my friend listen to some Pink Floyd tracks then...
They have much psychedelia in them !!!
Be what you have to bee... |
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Posted : Sep 19, 2007 21:27
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Guys you have seen nothing yet we still have long way ahead of us the best is on its way .Believe in that and you wont loose . Sometimes waiting for something to mature gives the best resault at last |
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Sep 20, 2007 14:00
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Hey this video is not taken in alsos man,maybe in battery I think,people at alsos in compare with people at battery was different,alsos usually had more serious and older people,and wasnt happening this drug mess as battery.
In battery I only enjoyed one party with astral projection at the first day of the year 96 from trancemedia,and disapointed from people,but not from music,astral files live!!!...the most of them(pistirikades) was taken hipnostedon and artane,ages from 13 to 17,trancemedia used to have younger junk people ,and sunrise zone older and lit bit more serious(as much serious a trancer could be )...
dont put everything in the same bag.
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AzatiS
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Posted : Sep 21, 2007 13:19
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On 2007-09-20 14:00, Gopendragon wrote:
Hey this video is not taken in alsos man,maybe in battery I think,people at alsos in compare with people at battery was different,alsos usually had more serious and older people,and wasnt happening this drug mess as battery.
In battery I only enjoyed one party with astral projection at the first day of the year 96 from trancemedia,and disapointed from people,but not from music,astral files live!!!...the most of them(pistirikades) was taken hipnostedon and artane,ages from 13 to 17,trancemedia used to have younger junk people ,and sunrise zone older and lit bit more serious(as much serious a trancer could be )...
dont put everything in the same bag.
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Well i wont agree with you. My first party was in ALSOS when i was 14.Yes i was that age.Went with 3 friends.We had GREAT time and from that day we were going every saturday.
I have to admit that there werent so much pitsirikaria there even if i was so young.
But even i was that young i made some good friends and i had great time every saturday and after a while sundays too (brainstorm-amorphia evening events).
Alsos was the best place for parties with serious music,great lives,sound and deco..(Many time i thought that the big mushroom gonna fall one day LOL )
Nowdays i think we lack some of these.Example> even if you invite Manwithnoname to play live in a hole for 500ppl max and bad sound ....That is not a party sorry and obviously ppl wont have great time.
Well this matter needs a lot of discussion that itll take me too long and besides that this isnt the appropriate forum to do so.
1 thing is for sure. We need better places,sound and vibe.Lets see then... |
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macdeath
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Posted : Sep 23, 2007 23:26
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I think its very funny and useless to talk about the gold days. THEY WOULD NEVER COME.
Under my perception the reasons variate. The golden days existed cause this period all the music scenes that were parts of the so called rave movement, were based and motivated from the pure love of the music. Promoters, artists and the crowd was under something new, different and very unique. The money wasn't a big aspect and drugs, as I think so, were not the only point. I can't be very obsesive for these days cause I am very young to know many things personal, but I am doing a final degree project about "Rave" so I have made a lot of research.
I have made an opinion for the period I started to attend parties. At 200 was the 1st one. When the psy-trance scene was divided (wich was only hapenning in Greece) in israeli-uplifitng, wich was not psy at all and euro psy there was one cos and one sin. The good thing was that most of "kagkoures" were in Rload and Funky Bee (sometimes I was also there). When these stopped I start seeing guys from this parties to come in Cyberfunk and Trance Alliance events (the best promoters I have seen in Greece in this period). The bad thing was that for these people, the main target at the events was to get as most drugged as they could be. So that's why some daeths occured and police started to hunt the parties (alongside cause of the goverment change).
SO I think for Greece SDF was the peak and the fall of the scene. 2002 was the best year for psy-trance with massive and very good events @ +Soda and Loft and after the summer of 2003 the events started to become less.
Now as we can admit we have maximum 10 events per year instead of the previous years, in wich we had 10 in one month!!! Also the crowd has changed so much to worse. I was at Fuzz yesterday, listenning to some crappy minimal. Many psy faces in there. Why? Maybe they like Richie or they just like drugs... SO no worries about the trance scene, we can take them in other events.
The thing that I always liked in psy-trance was the culture identity. If u see 4 dance events videos without sound: one house, one progressive, one techno and one psy-trance, in wich do u think, u will guess about the music played?
90% in the psy event. In the last events I have been the identity is purely missed...
No deco, no dresscode, sometimes crappy music also.
I think it's in our hands to bring the glory days back. If you read the israeli trance history, u will see that inspite they were hunted very intesively by they authorities they made it through... Cause they really loved parting... |
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Nectarios
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There is no theory, or golden days in my opinion, there are just the early days of something that was new and has now become, old.
I am not saying that because its become old, its not good. But remember the beginning... there were no divides in the scene. There was no "my music is better than yours and it brings all the boys to the yard" bullshit.
There was no full on, prog, dark, whatever... there was just psy-trance. Party promoters were not sending the police to each other's parties, to become the last promoter standing that would ultimately, make all the cash.
The people were united as one. It was a new thing that felt special and the people participating in this new thing, felt like they were part of something new and pure. And they were.
First open air parties I went to in Varimbopi, in 1994 were 100 people, max. Then go forward in time only two years in 1996 and you had 2000+ people at 6am on a Sunday morning, partying like there is no tomorrow.
It happens with every new thing that is fresh and unknown to the masses, it feels unique and pure, and the people that are riding those early waves of change, felt unique and pure as well.
Then lots and lots of people heard about the parties, listened to LIFE FM 89.2 and psy-trance became "mainstream".
Everyone and their dogs were going to trance parties and that brought more people in that were not about the music, but because they wanted to simply be "part of the new cool crew".
Along with them, came people (promoters, dealers...etc) that just saw a potential market and thought of making more money by simply saturating it.
Along came the Police...100 people partying in Varimbopi is nothing too important. But thousands going up and down Tatoiou and the TV reporting this "massive drug hysteria", is something big enough that caught the attention of law abiding citizens and they were not going to take it...not to mention the skyladika mafia that was loosing potential future customers.
We Greeks have this trait were instead of trying to go higher in life and do something special, we simply try to grab everyone around us and bring them down to our level. Its a poison that does not only ruin music scenes, but us as people...
But anyway...Its not just Greece this has happened to.
I lived in the UK and traveled for 7 years, and although there still is the odd open air/illegal party that is good, most parties are shit. Especially the ones that happen in legal venues.
The English are saying the same thing (about good ol' days...etc).
There are no Escape From Samsara parties in the Fridge in Brixton, no Tysen Street, no EQ Warehouse, no illegals in Hackney industrial estate, and the plethora of summer open air illegal parties around the M25, is no more.
People even say the acid is not as good as it used to be and that pills have so much speed in them, they could turn a dancefloor into a horse track race.
Its just the natural effect of time, similar to the effect time has on a person. Think about psy-trance as a woman (or young man for the females on here). When she was young, she looked better, was in better shape, could last longer and generally you got a massive hard on first time you laid eyes on her. A couple decades down a rugged road and she looks old, tired, some say they don't like her tits, others don't like her ass and she's lost the confidence she once had.
Now days its simply a case of "been there, done that...next!" |
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macdeath
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Posted : Sep 25, 2007 00:33
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It's normal for a movement or subculture to get modulated through the time but not to die.
I mean at London and even at Thessaloniki more parties take place than Athens... |
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Nectarios
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On 2007-09-25 00:33, macdeath wrote:
It's normal for a movement or subculture to get modulated through the time but not to die.
I mean at London and even at Thessaloniki more parties take place than Athens...
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Not only is it perfectly normal, but its also inevitable. All things change through time, trance is no exception.
"Nothing lasts...but nothing is lost". |
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Posted : Sep 26, 2007 22:33
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Macdeath I was at Fuzz too.
The music was not bad but definately not
psYchEdeliOUs! I danced a lot. It was a perfect club also! Clean music, lazer, a/c.
I went to listen to new electronic music but
the only techno style I like at the end, is Xavier's, X-Dream, Tsuyoshi etc...
I would like to go to an old school party!
I 'd party a lot.
But the music goes on, just listen to the ''master'' Tsuyoshi who is still alive what
he plays.
The new style of psychedelic trance for me, were the last albums from Prometheus, Pleiadians, Sphongle, Juno Reactor.
I hope to watch them live here in Greece! |
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macdeath
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Posted : Sep 28, 2007 20:31
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U know if u went to Fuzz to listen psychedelic music u made a mistake...
I also like techno, like Richie who I actually didn't heard, but the previous djs were playing very bad music. Crappy minimal...
There are some good groups in this scene like Monolake, Extrawelt, Minilogue, Trendemoller and maybe Bodzin but most of the artists play exactly the same shitty tunes. I mean even the production lines under these tracks are for laugh.
Regarding Fuzz alongside with Luv has the best sound system in Athens. You know why?
1) L-Acoustics
2) One of the owners of the Fuzz know a lot about audio... |
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mitsimistrator
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 07:44
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This video is not in Alsos and it's not in Battery either...
If you put yourself in ths category of exaggeration, then yes.. these were the golden days ... for the minority though !!!
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