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Posted : Sep 11, 2007 23:18
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they have guts mike to talk on isratrance but i see them in all ure parties i wounder why?
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 11, 2007 23:26
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Dear Nick constructive critisism is always welcome.
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other_reality
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 00:02
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The lack of social consistency, proper education and ideals, is the main problem. Someday, we had our slice of the whole "party" experience. Then ...the "boys" came in, from the backdoor, reminding us how stupid we can be, and how much "pimping" we can take. A third world country, positioned "firmly" on top in terms of corruption, is where we are now.
And yet, there is so much talent around. People with fresh ideas, and the knowledge to make it happen. These people, fortunately, are the same people that don't use their "contacts", to make it easier for them in the army, or in their lives with a nice public/state job. These are the same people that will never be able to offer anything here, because they don't want to mess with the mudpit and its wildhogs.
Virava goes to parties for 3 or 4 years, as he says, and still he has understood the root of this problem. For me it took longer to realise. Say 10-12 years. The couple first were mellow ofcourse, everything was so sweet. The music, the vibes...We were having a great time. And we had more free time (less working hours/school-statistically) and more money (no euros back then, and less debt for most, again , it's what the numbers say, go check it).
Now, we get less time, less money, and more expensive parties. We get to be chased by police more often, because we are immediate suspects since we like "psy", but then again police is known to have strong "affection" with the underworld, and in the #1 corrupted european country, you know what happens. Some guys, well, they just fell in a trap, you know. They started for a reason, and they ended up with zeros in their heads.
So, really, why the f*ck should I care ? I just go to the parties to remind myself what I liked someday. Occasionally, and this is a rarity, I find myself listening to some good music.
This is what I believe : If there is a way to make this thing stay alive (what's left of it), that way is straight BACK to the underground. Where it was in the first place. Free of many things that today's rules put. Big commercial/massive events will carry on, and be how they're supposed to be in this country. I cannot believe that somehow, things will change in a single day. Coz they wont.
There are underground events that occur every now and then. They don't ask for your support, they earn it. Open your eyes, and start thinking. Stop being a zombie, and act, for yourself. Start demanding and criticizing, we STILL have a democracy (of some sort). And respect yourself, above everything. The first one can change, is himself
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 00:16
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i didnt want to make this personal but unfortunately i waz the best example i know, so... bring it on muthafukaz..
1 - Festival : yes you may ask and i will tell you that it waz Samothraki Gathering 2005 which u might say and i will agree to a certain extend, it waz not a perfect one, its true, but nevertheless in every aspect of that project that i - az a physical person or my ideaz - were involved, all thoze thingz were perfectly organized plus i had to give instant solutionz to hundredz of problemz that came up in areaz that i waznt responsible for. If needed, i am sure all the artists, organizers and most of all the people who attended the fest and saw me everywhere, will second that anytime.
2 - Connexionz : i think i have covered this issue on my original post. read again if u missed it..
3 - Money : it iz true my bank account iz not thriving at the moment quit the contrary due to a serious health problem in my family, but even so, i have people with more money than most of us will ever see, that know me for yearz n believe in me and are just waiting for my call.. not that it iz needed since you know that maybe 70% of the costs are paid after the event. a policy which i dont totaly agree with. coz if u dont have the cash to cover a potential failure, that iz ANOTHER reazon NOT TO DO IT!
4 - Sound System : yes the system i am refering to iz a High-End PA system thus a highly expensive one, but if that system waz owned by a very close friend of yourz, u would understand how cheap i can rent it for..
5 - Venue : i waz in the UK from 94 to 98 so count thoze yearz out of my venue quest, but if u think u have a venue that can support all this, AND that haz all the proper permits, by all means enlighten me! i will uze it immidiately after the health issue iz rezolved!
and last but not least..
6 - GUTS!? - HahHAHaaAhAHHahahahahahha.. u funny lil Strumf (smurf).. u r lucky that BabaStroumf (PapaSmurf) haz a great sence of humor.... thanx for makin me lough though, and allow me not to even answer that...
PS: anyone that got offended... go download this track : "Tsou re Laki" by TUS!
i have more serious shit to take care of in my life..
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 02:13
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On 2007-09-12 00:16, AN8RWPOS wrote:
i didnt want to make this personal but unfortunately i waz the best example i know, so... bring it on muthafukaz..
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Nothing personal here,i dont know you and you dont know me so we are just chatting.By the way please watch your language.
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1 - Festival : yes you may ask and i will tell you that it waz Samothraki Gathering 2005 which u might say and i will agree to a certain extend, it waz not a perfect one |
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Well i wasnt there and i dont have a clue if it was well organised or not but what i know and i have seen through pictures,videos and a lenghty dvd that a friend of mine who was there gave me is that this event was far from an International Trance Festival as you named it,more like a Thesaloniki Trance Festival if you ask me since the big majority of people who attended this event were from Thesaloniki and near cities,i mean this event wasnt even decently promoted in Athens and very few people from here did the trip to Samothraki in 2005.Same goes for international trancers ofcourse who that year massively supported festivals like Sonica and Freedom and Voov.
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On 2007-09-12 00:16, AN8RWPOS wrote:
2 - Connexionz : i think i have covered this issue on my original post. read again if u missed it..
3 - Money : it iz true my bank account iz not thriving at the moment quit the contrary due to a serious health problem in my family, but even so, i have people with more money than most of us will ever see, that know me for yearz n believe in me and are just waiting for my call.. not that it iz needed since you know that maybe 70% of the costs are paid after the event. a policy which i dont totaly agree with. coz if u dont have the cash to cover a potential failure, that iz ANOTHER reazon NOT TO DO IT!
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Like i already mentioned money and connections one can find one way or another and ofcourse like everyone else you also got your own ways of making it there.By the way i 100% aggree with your statement that if someone doesnt have the money to cover his event then he shouldnt organise it at all,really wise words these.By the way good luck with that health problem in your familly,health is above all.
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On 2007-09-12 00:16, AN8RWPOS wrote:
4 - Sound System : yes the system i am refering to iz a High-End PA system thus a highly expensive one, but if that system waz owned by a very close friend of yourz, u would understand how cheap i can rent it for..
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Very happy for you but we dont all have so close friends who own such systems so that we can afford them plus i am not sure that such a big and high end soundsystem is ideal for a club event.Big system in small place doesnt fit well together you know.Plus the kind of systems that Madonna and George Michael use are not good for club usage,clubs use different soundsystems and big concerts use different soundsystems 
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5 - Venue : i waz in the UK from 94 to 98 so count thoze yearz out of my venue quest, but if u think u have a venue that can support all this, AND that haz all the proper permits, by all means enlighten me! i will uze it immidiately after the health issue iz rezolved!
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I dont know about rest of Greece but in Athens i know at least two places that are 100% legal and can host big,not to mention huge,and high quality events.These places are Fuzz Club and Kingdom Club which in my humble opinion are two amazing places with big capacity and huge potentials.
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6 - GUTS!? - HahHAHaaAhAHHahahahahahha.. u funny lil Strumf (smurf).. u r lucky that BabaStroumf (PapaSmurf) haz a great sence of humor.... thanx for makin me lough though, and allow me not to even answer that...
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Well i dont get the meaning behind all this smurfs words but i will say to you once again that for one to organise an event money,connections and guts are needed and guts in my humble opinion is the most difficult of three to have.I didnt mean by the way that you dont have guts to host an event,like i said in the beggining i dont know you after all,but you are in Greece for almost ten years and you claim to have all these connections and it seems really strange to me that you didnt at least once organised a big and well promoted event,if you did and i am not informed about it then please accept my apologies.
Anyway some people chat and some people act,me i prefer to act (even though i got to admit that i cant resist a good chat or debate in the forums lol).When you decide to act instead of chat then we can open this discussion once again
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 03:21
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indeed nothing personal m8 since we never met, but i do tend to uze some bad language every now n then.
i waznt tryin to promote myself in anyway either. u couldnt find me anywhere az an8rwpos even if u tried. it iz just a nickname in here.
ofcourse it waznt an international success, since the final legal paperz were signed in May and it waznt until then that they started promoting it (i would have done the same thing only i would wait until the next year to materialize it - Big Respect to them nevertheless. We all know what happenz if u dont do it like that). And . we will all agree that it waz a bit late for anyone from abroad to plan hiz trip. Even so, about 400 of them reached the fest + about 2000 if i remember correctly from around Greece.
the sound system iz a line array system n can b assembled from 10KW up to whatever i chooze to pay for.. + i have some sound engineering background so i am not airtalkin here..
i have been asked by the man handling Kingdom Club this year, to book whoever i could find (in the middle of June!!) and of course after a couple of dayz work, i told him what i knew i would tell him from the beginning. They r all booked until late September! He asked for namez like James Holden, Sasha, Klinenburg, Sven Vath, to literaly whoever i could find from house up to a progressive level muzik but not Psy - Goa - FullOn or the likes..
and az for acting.. try putting your ear on the sidewalk (like the indianz) and you might hear the soundz of the underground.. 
thx for your wishez on my problem it iz indeed physicaly - psycologicaly n spiritualy the most exhausting thing i ever had to encounter.. not to mention i had to quit my job 6 months ago to personaly deal with this... anywayz..
do your best guyz but try not to promote small partiez az Huge Events.. i still think iz a lie..
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mitsimistrator
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 09:13
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An8rwpos... you are the man !!!
You're right.
The spirit (unfortunatelly) remains only underground...
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other_reality
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 10:37
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That's what I said as well. If someone bothered to read it, between all this guts and money....
Bring yourselves into the light
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 12:17
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despite all efforts, and if actually makes a fresh start, psy-trance will AGAIN end like that, for example 
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European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.
The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the
silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl rite n styl.
Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
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DETOX
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 14:16
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Other Reality what you said was something much more broad and dealing with social,political,economic and educational aspects of our society and in my humble opinion parties dont need such a deep analysis and the reasons behind the decline of the quality of the music and the attendance of people at parties rely on much simpler reasons than the ones you mentioned.
Also i very much doubt that parties and psy trance music are responsible for all the corruption within the people and the authorities in our country or that corrupted people are involved at all within this small scene.
No serious businessman is going to get involved with psy trance people,money is one of the issues for the decline of the music but its not the main issue if you ask me,and while dear Other Reality you think that Virava with his 3-4 years experience got to the root of the problem by claiming that music has to be tottally disconnected from any money issues then please allow me to partially disaggree with that.
Like i said no serious person is going to get involved with psy trance to make money,i mean make money from what?By releasing cds?By organising parties?By making artists bookings?I mean how much money you think that someone can make out of this story?Actually can he make any money at all?
And especially in our country Greece is there anyone who can claim that is making a living just from being involved with psy trance?
Everyone involved within this small scene loves what he does,some more some less,but still love for the music and scene is there.
What all of you havent understand yet is that the years are passing by and people and trends change and when things change they either change for the better or for the worst,unfortunately in the psy trance scene things changed towards the worst simply because the people who started this whole thing in the beggining got much older and are not as excited being involved with it as they used to be 10-15-20 years ago and also the new generation is very different with different minds and views and i dare to say less sceptical and philosophical than the older generations.
Things just change people,no need to search for corrupted people and money issues and alien invasions,things and people just change....
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 14:52
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other reality u said it m8, it just got lost between the lil quarel we had earlier. dont worry about it - scripta manet
and piko.. if i got the point to your example right, i think this time will b different and we wont compromize in any way either.. we r gonna b the onez to set the rulez under and overground.
[someone took a dump in the forest..
fliez smelled the shit n stormed to have a feast!
the Sun saw the shit azwell n started to vaporize any liquid in it, so it got dryer n harder!
some km'z away the scent awakened the beatles..
..surely they gathered by the pile n started disassembling the organic dump..
the next day i waz takin a walk in the forest respectfuly and i could smell the flowerz, the treez, the earth.. a beautiful day indeed..]
to put it in a wider angle - Theze r the last 3 yearz of their reign in every aspect of life in our 3 dimensional world. We r ascending rapidly to a 5 dimensional earth n there iz nothin they can do about it. actualy they cant even follow us n thats the whole "problem" ;P
soon - Right n Justice will b normal.. Peace will b normal.. Creativity n Expression will b normal.. Happiness will be normal.. Love will be normal.. Harmonik muzik will b normal.. fuk even Norman Cook will be NormaL 
just prepare yourselvez, for we r gonna experience the peak of this whole mess right before their bubble bursts!
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 15:12
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Scripta Manent to be 100% accurate and Verba Volant to be even more specific
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 15:27
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Scripta Manent to be 100% accurate and Verba Volant to be even more specific
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..and there was love between those two fine men
rly, kiddin'
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 16:19
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xar xar xar xar...... 
i am an Aries piko so i GO OFF! ..n then calm down...
i never remembered that second one. i alwayz remembered it at the greek verzion.. epea pteroenta.
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 01:41
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Only when the old groups and the brilliant new ones (they know who they are) stop producing music i will think about the 'old' days
Personally, i don't care about spirit and ideas any more.I am a religious person and i think that trying to change the world via music is simply a 'utopia'.I LOVE my groups and i am very happy that they LOVE me when they give me good music.Only that! |
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