frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 22, 2015 20:59
One thing: try high shelf instead of low pass filter, on the Kick.
Focus more on the sources and the articulation between Kick and Bass without ANY processing first. If it doesn't gel well together at the source, then no processing is going to save you.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2015 21:28
yeh cheers , ive been experimenting with shelving - that's why I love the max warm... it can shelve really really well, just a shame about how eager I am to rush it..
it warm because of its ability to shelve off at certain points in the lo mid and high ranges - making a warm lo end - by lowering volumes in the places it needs 80-200 sloping for example leaving subs kind of bare - gives the impression you have boosted but havnt.
ive been playing back some of my kb examples on hi fi speakers and im a little embarrassed, I shal be checking next time before I go in all guna blazing from hd's pahaha
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Posted : Apr 22, 2015 22:23
So where am I going wrong then - as you can see im getting rid of those hollow harsh freqs and tweaked a sylenth patch to taste. ive switched the phase and chose a wave form start with phase dial that suited the envelopes ..
ive used the exorcist just to save pro q space - where usually id do it manually..
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so whats going on
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Posted : Apr 22, 2015 22:56
well this two sounds are pretty nice as i hear them each stand alone. so give us the combo!
the kick is pretty solid t ihink! dont see anything wrong in your processing. http://soundcloud.com/neonjade
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Posted : Apr 23, 2015 12:06
Processing looks fine Sonica - however one thing that I note is that your Kick and Bass both has it's fundamental in the same range. between 40-60hz. In the end you have two elements trying to occupy the same space. Fighting one another.
Try experimenting giving one the sub space and EQ the subs out of the other. Both can sound good occupying the subs depending on which style of music you're producing.
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Posted : Apr 23, 2015 15:06
Yes fundamental is in the same range as they are both on the same root notes,, so even if sidechaining I still have to choose which element is going to have the power from 49hz... ? if there tight and plucky they wont be fighting like wild dogs
and I guess I could use a a notch in this instance to either lower the volume of either the kick or bass in that fundamental hz region?? confused as I thought tuning was appropriated method
a note to visitors btw
since the kick sounds "ok apparently" if you are wanting to copy it from picture you will have to adjust your own amp envelope accordingly.. start of the click , sweep and release
moleq - the project wasa deleted after not receiving feedback I though id made another terrible attempt as no one replied.
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Posted : Apr 23, 2015 23:31
visitors asin super fukin newb
do the moderators have anything to say and add to this, any wisdom floating around in bright parts of ya mindz?
Devasya Savitur
Everything has been said.Go buy some studio monitors,treat acoustically your room best as you can.Then listen some music on your new setup,go make your own music and rely on your ears and finally put your HD 600 on head and enjoy
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 13:54
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On 2015-04-23 15:06, Sonica wrote:
Yes fundamental is in the same range as they are both on the same root notes,, so even if sidechaining I still have to choose which element is going to have the power from 49hz... ? if there tight and plucky they wont be fighting like wild dogs
Yeeaahh but you see, even though they are super tight, the chance that you're going to create listeners fatigue becomes greater when you have an abundance of sub - Also your frequency movement between the K&B is actually gonna be none - so lifeless can become a factor here. Why not boost frequencies an octave up, from the root, on the bassline. I have found that the low mids can really round out the bass nicely.
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 15:11
The settings on the EQ are actually quite extreme.
I also know and use the "exorcist" (when doing stuff in Ableton), quite handy device. Just looking at your screenshot, I can tell that you've cut TO MUCH!
With those settings on, you're carving out to much away from your Bass sound, whilst the proper usage of this should be much more subtle - even the default settings are close to where they should be, or a nice indication. Keep those notches sharp, that's the reason this thing key tracks your notes, it's to keep it subtle and unnoticeable. Just gets those annoying resonances away from the sound.
Also noticed that the settings on your FabFilter EQ are also to extreme. I've noticed the scale is set on 30dB, you're doing some very extreme and exaggerated cuts in there, both in gain and width again.
Summary: you're cutting way to much. Cheers
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 15:22
- does the kick sound ok tho freesbi - and it wasn't a cut - it was lowered in volume.. if I want a round kick surely there are no rules in sculpting a kick if it sounds ok
the scale was set to 12db on the kick ..
and if u take in account of the "drive" on sylenth then surely it compensates about right?
makes sense about exorcist though..
hows this one?
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 15:50
The other thing that's really screwing up your bass is the LFO modulating the Phase of the oscillator. Wonder why you're doing that?
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 16:15
I kinda also agree with FH about the EQ cuts. If you think about it, you are trying to lower the volume of frequencies that you added in the synthesis. So i.e. you're making a harsh bass sound and then try to fix it with EQ - and processing.
Not saying that your bass sounds bad or anything. Just keep in mind that it's better to start off with a great sound - then add subtle processing.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 16:27
That high shelf is cutting to much of the spectrum. You need to control the highs, yes, a high shelf is good for this, but it's about controlling, not squashing out everything from it up until the fundamental.
Usually a simple high pass filter, a dip or two on the mids, to control (not remove) boxy sound, and a high shelf to massage (not press the face against the floor) the highs, very sharp, ear piercing frequencies - that are needed though, to find the Kick in the mix.
I've noticed the scale is 12dB, but looking at the shape in the analyser I believe you've gone a bit overboard with the tonal shaping of it.
With your chosen tempo of 140bpm, Kick should be somewhere round 107ms in length, with a bit of a decay/release of some ms if you want (can work wonders for Kick and first note/side chain pumping interaction).
Looking at your settings, I can say that it extends far beyond that (on bazzism). So watch out for that to. If you freeze that track and look at the audio, I bet you'll see it occupying a 1/8th space and that's probably to much.
The overall feeling I get from this is: you and most people here, are not to far off. But the devil is in the small little details and getting a sense of how the little tweaks interact with each other.
Some things immediately catch my eye in those screen shots. For instance:
There's a duplicated "velocity > volume" entry on the matrix. But one is telling the instrument to move up, the other downwards. You should just have one. And it should have a carefully tweaked range. You don't need to much dynamics in there, just enough so it doesn't feel like a machine gun, but has some groove.
Another even more alarming one is that you've set velocity to modulate the cut off as well. That's all fine and sweet, the "accent" thing. But not if you set if for the whole range. The way it's set, velocity is turned into a knob for cut off position. And it almost looks like a detail, right?
But it's not. All things overlooked are cumulative!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 24, 2015 16:41
Another thing: sylenth has the supersaw kind of thing on the oscillator section. Way it works is:
have more then one voice and use detuning and spread.
you have two saws, the second a bit detuned from the first. it shows on span plus (demo eheh). that coupled with the phase modulation you have is enough to set it sideways.
