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The abuse of the term Progressive....
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 10:41
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i guess like there once was time for Full On
now its Progressive's turn...Minimal schminimal is the underlying tone popular with some not so with others...once obsession with progressive ends it will be Electro's turn...not that its not popular right now but it will become something that sells like hot cakes...but i guess Electronica is gonna be the new Pop and all main stream artists are already experimenting with a lot of electronica....even hip hop is using it...so looks like there will be bling in psytrance afterall these years...think about it Raja Ram's Anthology is a reality now...i think i am 
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Hunter S.T.
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 10:49
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Progressive = depressive |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 11:01
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from krell dictionary:
"progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things"
this exacly what i dont find in labels of prog trance , if that was the real meening how come 2007 most new album stil is copy of freq 2004 ? (even much more boring)
that was the "sub genre" definer or marker , and not much progress since then. some exeptions offcourse like perfect stranget which realy is progres toword something new and not repeat the formula
very same story of fullon , 3 years later
p/s proggressive is not proggressive (its regressive)
dark is not dark (its noise)
trance is not trance (its house)
this can easy be a normal discussion...
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 15:34
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On 2007-10-08 20:24, ocelot wrote:
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On 2007-10-04 20:20, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
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On 2007-10-04 19:52, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2007-10-04 18:33, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
I agree with Magox!But I see many x progressive djs spinning pure minimal techno but they don't want to abandon the term progressive...progressive is past dudes!we live in the golden age of glitchy minimalistic music
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And then some DJ's (myself included) just like to play what they consider good music, regardless of style...
Even though minimal is the trend, good progressive is certainly still being made - why abandon what you like just because it isn't as hip as 1 year ago?
As I see it, there's a time and a place for everything, be it progressive, minimal, tech, electro and even full on.
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Hey Profane!My point isn't that they are still djs that spinn progressive.Everyone is free to do what he likes and every music style is acceptable as you said!The point is that minimal techno is totally different music from progressive.As about the hip I don't listen minimal and abandon progressive because of it.It has nothing to do with the trends.Minimal tech is the most fresh dance music with so many new ideas,that's why I prefer it nowdays.To the other side,progressive is still good but not fresh,it's just repeating itself the last years. 
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minimal tech is the most fresh dance music with so many new ideas?
after i stop laughing and rolling on the floor i will invite you to visit the continent known as "europe" where you will find such music beaten to death, stripped of any flavor, and played in every club and street corner. now that the electro wave died and minimal came back back back we really are just going in circles.
some clue:
if you are buying vinyl
if you are obsessed with how to categorize your music.
if you like good tracks to be part of a social movement complete with handmade font and dress code.
if you believe what the man in the music magazine told you is the next trend in dance music. (nice man, nice magazine)
i could go on and on...
but i have to get off the floor from laughing too much.
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Man probably you don't get my point and probably you don't have any idea to what music I am talking about.Minimal tech/tech house is so huge scene nowdays.I agree with you about cheesey million played minimal tech tracks that overflooded the whole Europe etc..There is a huge underground minimal scene under the thin line of commercial minimal scece of super clubs.Yeap music is making circles every new cirle is much different than the similar olders at all.Some years ago was progressive,then electro,now minimal,tomorrow who knows?You can laugh as much as you want but I am not listen enough minimal music nowdays because it's a must,neither I buy the music magazine,neither I changed my dressing etc.I do it because I realy like this music which I found throw my fourite music trance producers some years ago in some music of their dj mixes,throw some side projects they've started dedicated to this sound etc.And the most important because you and the most psy trance producers can't create more psychedelic music anymore
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 16:15
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Man probably you don't get my point and probably you don't have any idea to what music I am talking about.Minimal tech/tech house is so huge scene nowdays.I agree with you about cheesey million played minimal tech tracks that overflooded the whole Europe etc..There is a huge underground minimal scene under the thin line of commercial minimal scece of super clubs.Yeap music is making circles every new cirle is much different than the similar olders at all.Some years ago was progressive,then electro,now minimal,tomorrow who knows?You can laugh as much as you want but I am not listen enough minimal music nowdays because it's a must,neither I buy the music magazine,neither I changed my dressing etc.I do it because I realy like this music which I found throw my fourite music trance producers some years ago in some music of their dj mixes,throw some side projects they've started dedicated to this sound etc.And the most important because you and the most psy trance producers can't create more psychedelic music anymore
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Yeah but its not trance...and a lot of people (maybe not the artists) are calling progressive-trance to such music. On the other hand if you dedicate yourself to a bit of research you will find a lot of fresh things happening in the psy-trance sound (doesnt matter the particular style). Regarding those artists you are refering that started to play minimal/electro based on the fact that trance is dead and dry...well some people just have a need to be trendy and hype(yesterday trance/today electro/tomorrow who knows!!). The club-thurst!!!!! You should produce/play whatever you feel like but please dont use such a poor escapegoat to justify yourself among the music scene...do your thing from the heart, its always the best way.
To a more specified approach: i really dont like going to a trance party/festival/gathering and find out that a lot of the acts playing are in fact minimal tecnho/electro disguise as "progressive-trance". Get out of the closet!!!!!
I hope im not sounding as some trance-fundamentalist, cause im not but sometimes it feels that the people who proclaimed the sterility of trance are the ones not ready to abondon their first tag. Why????
Elad is rigth when he states that we should not give to much attention to genres... but dont forget that trance is not only a music style but also a key element of worldwide sub-culture with a self identity.
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 16:57
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Progressive trance is just a differnt sub genre of trance music. Who cared that its not "progressive" opposed to the other styles of trance
 sychedelic" trance also isnt psychedelic anymore either so why bother whining about this
When styles are developing people give it a name, and at a certain point the music stops evolving and more sub genres start to evolve from a genre that was before a sub genre
Like psy
First is was just psytrance, now you have dark, minimal, progressive and whatever not
Stop whining about the label just enjoy whatever you like to listnen
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 17:23
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Hey Elon!I am doing it with my heart,yeap.I don't want to categorize music either.I love trance to,and I won't stop.Is ti bad if I always like to hear something new?Weren't all those people in psy scene who were complaing when progressive had its first paths in psy scene and now progressive is a big part of this scene?Why always psy people are complaining oh this is not trance.it's crap!I like deep,trippy,twisted groovy music and this is not the typical psy trance nowdays.It has nothing to do with a music called minimal techno,progressive trance or whatever,it has to do with a music that gives me the same feeling when I first listened psy trance and loved it!
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 18:10
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On 2007-10-10 17:23, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
Hey Elon!I am doing it with my heart,yeap.I don't want to categorize music either.I love trance to,and I won't stop.Is ti bad if I always like to hear something new?Weren't all those people in psy scene who were complaing when progressive had its first paths in psy scene and now progressive is a big part of this scene?Why always psy people are complaining oh this is not trance.it's crap!I like deep,trippy,twisted groovy music and this is not the typical psy trance nowdays.It has nothing to do with a music called minimal techno,progressive trance or whatever,it has to do with a music that gives me the same feeling when I first listened psy trance and loved it!
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Im not discussing tastes. You like what you like and that s fine. I have nothing against tecnho or electro or jazz or whatsoever...i also like a lot of diferent types of music!!! I just wonder why so many non-trance acts/djs are labelled as progressive-TRANCE when in fact they are not. It feels that the word progressive is used like some trojan horse. Tecnho is not progressive-trance nor is electro. I agree that progressive-trance is a part of this scene as any other style....but i specifically refer to trance.
Its not my priority to conceptualize every style of music, i like music (Period), i just found funny to see this invasion of tecnho and electro disguised as progressive, that s all...folks!!!!
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ori_k
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 20:16
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i also found myself wondering the true nature of "progressive" music latley..
and i can tell you this:
1.this topic rules
2.the new "progressive" sound coming from the big labels such as tribal vision & iboga (and all those wannabe labels) is the most boring,uninspired music the trance scene has ever known(plz exclude perfect stranger+anything coming out of plusquam &zenon).
i mean jeessuusss all those recent compilations and artist albums(i really don't wanna mention names) are like pure formula, no soul no creativity..same old tricks..kinda like what happened to israeli full-on uknow..
sure there are some exeptions but.. blah!
i seriously c-a-n-t listen to this stuff its so frickin' boring i tell ya! |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 21:23
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 22:51
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I thought "progressive trance" meant slower (120-130 bpm) with tons of reverb, delay and chord stabs. And reversed pads. |
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 23:28
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On 2007-10-10 11:01, Elad wrote:
from krell dictionary:
"progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things"
this exacly what i dont find in labels of prog trance , if that was the real meening how come 2007 most new album stil is copy of freq 2004 ? (even much more boring)
that was the "sub genre" definer or marker , and not much progress since then. some exeptions offcourse like perfect stranget which realy is progres toword something new and not repeat the formula
very same story of fullon , 3 years later
p/s proggressive is not proggressive (its regressive)
dark is not dark (its noise)
trance is not trance (its house)
this can easy be a normal discussion...
lol u see what i meen when i say just know the artists u like to hear and dont mind sub-sub-sub genres names to get in the way
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If you read my first post you will see that I do not consider the term progressive as being in terms of overall musical evolution, but rather I see it as descriptive of the musical progression in the tracks themselves.
The other stuff in my opinion is just elitist bs, to which I try not to subscribe too much.
In other words, we agree, on the point that "progressiv psytrance" isnt as such showing more developments than other psychedelic trance subgenres.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 11, 2007 00:05
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Progressive topic, fellas
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Alias
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Posted : Oct 11, 2007 00:45
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On 2007-10-10 11:01, Elad wrote:
from krell dictionary:
"progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things"
this exacly what i dont find in labels of prog trance , if that was the real meening how come 2007 most new album stil is copy of freq 2004 ? (even much more boring)
that was the "sub genre" definer or marker , and not much progress since then. some exeptions offcourse like perfect stranget which realy is progres toword something new and not repeat the formula
very same story of fullon , 3 years later
p/s proggressive is not proggressive (its regressive)
dark is not dark (its noise)
trance is not trance (its house)
this can easy be a normal discussion...
lol u see what i meen when i say just know the artists u like to hear and dont mind sub-sub-sub genres names to get in the way
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Well said Elad!
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Alias
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Posted : Oct 11, 2007 00:51
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Personaly..i'm not obssesive with this "if its not innovative its crap" Bullshit!
In the end im listening music i like the most...be it goa, prog, fullon,techno....etc! im trying to enjoy from all kind of music!
in my opinion the problem with non-melodic genres like psy prog, fullon(it was melodic. now its not ) electro, minimal ...etc!
Is that you must to do something innovative all the time.
thats why im still listening to goa trance and ambient.....because you have complex melodies....and every melody is innovation imho!
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