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The abuse of the term Progressive....
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 09:07
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On 2007-10-05 02:35, Elad wrote:
Musical characteristics for "proggressive music" (aply mostly in rock , but i think for this topic it fit as well)
*avoid common popular music song structures
*Progressive music is designed mainly for listening, rather than for dancing, which meant that prog artists are able to use unusual rythms changing time signatures
* less predictable chord progressions
now , can u say what defined as "proggressive trance" fit into this criteria ?
i dare say no , its aimed to be dance music , usualy very predictable , and more pop vibe then oldschool classic psytrance
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My point exactly..... |
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Andrey
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 11:38
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"The Best" minimal/Progressive I've heard was first SonnenVakuum tracks...
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 8, 2007 16:00
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After reading several posts on this thread i concluded that there are two ways of approaching the term "progressive".
The first - "Something starts simple with just a kick and a bass and then slowly but steadly evolves to something massive and magical that turns the danceloor upside down with its rythm and melodies."
The second - "*avoid common popular music song structures
*Progressive music is designed mainly for listening, rather than for dancing, which meant that prog artists are able to use unusual rythms changing time signatures
* less predictable chord progressions"
I more agree with the second view as the term progressive exists in music before the advent of trance or tecnho and so i again say that alot of people refer to "progressive" to qualify a non-progressive style of music. |
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Pete Sideburner
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Posted : Oct 8, 2007 20:10
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On 2007-10-04 18:33, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
we live in the golden age of glitchy minimalistic music
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Golden? Seems like led to me...
M-m-m-music where nothing happens. Why is that appealing? I might as well listen to my clock ticking or my water tap dripping. Anything can be exciting as long as the dose of psychoactives fits. 
Progressive, hm. What is it anyway? According to Ellon only a very few tracks could be called progressive then. But according to psychedelic rock (e.g. Elmerson Lake And Palmer) as a successor of psychedelic rock you use the term in the right way. But progressive rock got steril and boring after a while as well as most of progressive trance did.
But Magox definition rocks as well.  But this could be in any style.
I think it's just a term for a style of music.
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Posted : Oct 8, 2007 20:24
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On 2007-10-04 20:20, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
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On 2007-10-04 19:52, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2007-10-04 18:33, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
I agree with Magox!But I see many x progressive djs spinning pure minimal techno but they don't want to abandon the term progressive...progressive is past dudes!we live in the golden age of glitchy minimalistic music
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And then some DJ's (myself included) just like to play what they consider good music, regardless of style...
Even though minimal is the trend, good progressive is certainly still being made - why abandon what you like just because it isn't as hip as 1 year ago?
As I see it, there's a time and a place for everything, be it progressive, minimal, tech, electro and even full on.
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Hey Profane!My point isn't that they are still djs that spinn progressive.Everyone is free to do what he likes and every music style is acceptable as you said!The point is that minimal techno is totally different music from progressive.As about the hip I don't listen minimal and abandon progressive because of it.It has nothing to do with the trends.Minimal tech is the most fresh dance music with so many new ideas,that's why I prefer it nowdays.To the other side,progressive is still good but not fresh,it's just repeating itself the last years.
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minimal tech is the most fresh dance music with so many new ideas?
after i stop laughing and rolling on the floor i will invite you to visit the continent known as "europe" where you will find such music beaten to death, stripped of any flavor, and played in every club and street corner. now that the electro wave died and minimal came back back back we really are just going in circles.
some clue:
if you are buying vinyl
if you are obsessed with how to categorize your music.
if you like good tracks to be part of a social movement complete with handmade font and dress code.
if you believe what the man in the music magazine told you is the next trend in dance music. (nice man, nice magazine)
i could go on and on...
but i have to get off the floor from laughing too much. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 8, 2007 20:31
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Ocelot mate, once you finish stop rolling on the floor I'd like to hear what in your eyes or ears is the freshest dance music with many ideas.
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 8, 2007 20:31
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"Progressive" as used in the term of progressive psytrance for instance is about where the focus in the music is, the same goes for "full on" in the term full on psytrance.
Both are psytrance, but for one, the fokus is for it to be "full on" and for the other, it is a focus which lies in the "progression".
Instead of seeing "progressive" as some sort of elitist way of depicting music in words, I see it instead as noting that the focus is on the progression of the sounds, rhythms and melodies throughout the track.
Each on its own, is not about dominating the track, for instance with a melody all the way through - but instead, its about the changes between different elements, and what happens when the music essentially "progresses" from one element to another.
So, instead of putting emphasis on something to create the maximum "killer" dance floor effect, its instead focussed on the flow throughout the music and its subtle contrasts as you move through it. Thereby the word "progressive".
Almost all music has progression, its a key musical element, but not all music has put most of its focus on its progression.... Nitzonot for instance, it has progression, but focus is on the melody instead of the change there is, from musical section to musical section.
"Progressive", "Dark", "Full On" e.t.c. is about the content of the music, and not something abstracting from the music itself. It is descriptive to the music, and nothing else.
Thats why we dont call it "Goa Trance" anymore.
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MoWGLi
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 04:14
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On 2007-10-04 18:08, Ellon wrote:
Hello everybody...
I was just wondering if anyone thinks that the term "Progressive" is used nowadays in a complete wrong way. All the dj`s or producers that sound housey/electro are called progressive!!!! I always thought that progressive had something to do with the fact that someone is creating something unique, original, not related with anything else. For me progressive is for ex. Eat Static, or every artist who is doing a unique breakthrough sound but i hear so many of the new house/trance acts being called progressive!!!! IMHO its clearly a misuse of a term. I really would like to hear some opinions.
Namarie....Light
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Completely agree. |
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 12:43
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 13:23
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I think Krell is straight to the point.. And the word "progressive" used to be applied to other genres than only "Trance".. I remember these Progressive Nation compilations where Trance, techno, house and elektro were merged under this common denominator "Progressive" that Krell explained..
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 13:33
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that's how it is used nowadays you mean
as in time there was also progressive EDM music
usually when a set of tracks didn't fit the labels they were called "progressive", once the label was accepted they got out of that "progressive" hive
then one type of music took this over and it changed how the term is now used
but when you will look for old progressive music by the book you'll find the very early dark under this as well...
however that was in the past now that term changed to the more "progression aspect" of the music
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superman
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 14:33
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No need for a dictionary....
Progressive Means "modern" and when you say progressive music,it means modern new music.
so technicaly its not based on the false idea of "progressive trance" but,on a concept of new age modern trance !
so.......the word progressive its too general to pin it on only on 1 type of music !
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Maya
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Posted : Oct 9, 2007 14:43
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Well... i think this not happen here where I live, people know how to difference the generes and the progressive style never been called from another thing! Yes, here have many DJs from progressive style that is playing minimal or eletro stuffs, but everybody know which is the name of peer style.
IMHO, progressive is the sound of the future, everybody here, until the people that don't like eletronic music, listen a progressive track and start to like it
It's a different style of all other generes, that is more accepted from the public that just go in commercial parties.
That's the style that always going to survive the many many gererations that we have on the way! |
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Krell
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Posted : Oct 10, 2007 06:45
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On 2007-10-09 14:33, superman wrote:
No need for a dictionary....
Progressive Means "modern" and when you say progressive music,it means modern new music.
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Your wrong, and here is what dictionary.com has to say about that
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pro·gres·sive /prəˈgrɛsɪv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-gres-iv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor.
2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.
3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
4. (initial capital letter) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.
5. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.
6. noting or pertaining to a form of taxation in which the rate increases with certain increases in taxable income.
7. of or pertaining to progressive education: progressive schools.
8. Grammar. noting a verb aspect or other verb category that indicates action or state going on at a temporal point of reference.
9. Medicine/Medical. continuously increasing in extent or severity, as a disease.
–noun 10. a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, esp. in political matters.
11. (initial capital letter) a member of a Progressive party.
12. Grammar. a. the progressive aspect.
b. a verb form or construction in the progressive, as are thinking in They are thinking about it.
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