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splikz
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 02:51
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I come from the old school. i like to dance for myself and with my friends.
although everyone tends to look to the stage, it seams that a lot of the new audiences like to be looking specifically to the dj.... and they expect some interaction.
to me, the biggest lol is when festival stages have props in front of the djs. and when they are ridiculously far away from the crowd, with fences.... 
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Acid Mushroom
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 02:59
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check NEELIX
the BEST PSY EVERYTIMES
this a genius, your music have minimal and electro, perfect, the people LOVE NEELIX
Neelix Live! @ Universo Paralello Festival 12 - || FULL VIDEO || Pratigi-BA - Brasil
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 03:04
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that's a in your face music experience. there's not much of a psychedelic journey in there.
they are two very different ways to play and also to enjoy.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 20:03
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On 2014-06-23 21:39, frisbeehead wrote:
I think psychedelic trance in general has a lot more to do with the experience of sound then it is to do with the interaction of the performer with the audience.
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Straw man argument. Live music is not about the interaction between the performer and the audience, it's about the interaction between the performer and the music. This is why live music has a price premium; anyone can punch the air and get a crowd going, but it's supposed to take real skill to perform live. Audiences pay extra for a live performance to see the performer getting lost in the music and creating something right there on stage that is of the moment - that's what the word 'live' means. Any other explanation is just a justification for laziness and an excuse for pulling the wool over the dancefloor's eyes.
On the other hand, if as you say it's "more to do with the experience of sound then it is to do with the interaction of the performer with the audience" then let's have fewer performers pretending to interact with the audience under the fake guise of a "live set", and more honest producers DJing their tracks. Can't do either? Then you shouldn't be on that stage, IMO. If your tracks are good enough to play out but you don't have ANY of the skills to do it yourself, make friends with a few DJs and give your music to them.
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Midnight Sun
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 21:19
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If you want to see real music perfeormers go to any band concert. Trance music is just a complete diferent thing with a complete diferent purpose. I have no problem if trance festivals had no stage at all.. kinda weird, I love many kinds of music, and I also play in a prog rock band, but for trance I don't feel you need to play your tunes, not about lazyness but about purpose, while I'm going into trance I don't give a fuck about what the artist is doing AT ALL. I just close my eyes and use my ears and 3rd eye..
There always be complainers of one thing or another so I don't fight with this in any way. Also I'll like to say that in my Live Acts I play piano keyboard all along my tracks while inserting some extra FX´s what makes the experience for me, but I really don't care if other producers hit play as long as the music gets you into trance.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 23:49
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On 2014-06-24 21:19, Midnight Sun wrote:
If you want to see real music perfeormers go to any band concert. Trance music is just a complete diferent thing with a complete diferent purpose. I have no problem if trance festivals had no stage at all.. kinda weird, I love many kinds of music, and I also play in a prog rock band, but for trance I don't feel you need to play your tunes, not about lazyness but about purpose, while I'm going into trance I don't give a fuck about what the artist is doing AT ALL. I just close my eyes and use my ears and 3rd eye..
There always be complainers of one thing or another so I don't fight with this in any way. Also I'll like to say that in my Live Acts I play piano keyboard all along my tracks while inserting some extra FX´s what makes the experience for me, but I really don't care if other producers hit play as long as the music gets you into trance.
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99% of all inside the dancing crowd don't give serious attention to the life act/dj stage - I mean if someone plays life or not. IMO this also is the good thing about psytrance parties,to have the bigger value out of it by having the eyes closed and just enjoy the sound waves and expirience something new. If one really observe if the music's coming 'life'or not and all that details coming with it than it's probably not anynone that came there to enjoy.
Personaly out of my general music production interests I sometimes want to check such details, just because all that passion for audio engineering and all around it, but it's always better when all I have in mind is anything else than that but just party. Than the music was really good most probably.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 23:58
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^that's what I meant! This scene started with tape cuts and some cheap hardware synths where live would mean actually tweaking this and that on a midi orchestra. Some parties used to have line ups like this:
anyone that wants to play.
that's the spirit. it's the experience that counts, not a contest of performance skills, not about who does more or less on stage, only the music and the experience of it among friends and nature.
only later it turned into something else. and then the egos start to get big, then money got big to some, then everything got screwed up to the point where status quo is made up of guys with small black t-shirts with their label logo on it, sunglasses and the attitude of a top football player.
what was it again? oh, i actually enjoy free parties a lot more these days because I feel it's much more about what really matters. And I love audio, sound design, mixing and mastering. I'm obsessed with it all. But first and foremost, it was about the experience, before even knowing what a DAW is.
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Acid Mushroom
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 00:28
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Midnight Sun
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 10:41
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On 2014-06-24 23:35, frisbeehead wrote:
This is a tired argument, actually. I can perform with the instruments I own and use. I sometimes resample them and do weird stuff to those chunks of audio and I don't feel like I own anyone an apology for doing so.
Just because you're engaged with a band, it doesn't instantly make you more worthy then the next folk who's focus lies elsewhere, in case you didn't noticed it yet.
Then, the stuff I said wasn't personal. Wasn't talking about myself. Wasn't aiming at anyone in particular either. My opinion stands as is. I couldn't care any less for live beat matching on material that's my own just because some people may think that justifies my presence on stage... I know that the music is what justifies it all. Beat matching isn't difficult, mixing two decks isn't either. Doing that to my own material just doesn't feel like it adds something by itself. Specially when carefully laid down transitions may sound a lot better then that. Or isn't that a possibility?
Some of the arguments you present is the kind of stuff you get to read when someone challenges deadmauss online because he knows how to play a guitar while electronic musicians just seat on their ass clicking a mouse, just saying. I actually like to touch the sound and give it an organic touch with my hands. I still wouldn't feel like I should be ashamed if it wasn't so. Tons of good artists just clicking with their mouse with bigger audiences then yours and that's just a fact of life and you need to learn how to deal with it. But that's your problem, not mine.
I've seen hundreds of good live acts where the artists weren't doing much at all. Of course they may control some fx, some filters or play a riff or two, or whatever THEY decide suits their music and THEIR act. Should they just give it away to DJs as well? Hell no! Music takes time and persistence to get done and those who manage to do it have earned their way to the stage. Period. It's up for the audiences to like it or not. Not the veterans. Some people like to think of themselves as if they were the doorman of the scene. I've had my dose of that. I don't feel like it is so.
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Are you really talking to me? Your response makes no sense to me at all, sorry!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 13:51
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 15:20
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On 2014-06-25 13:51, Colin OOOD wrote:
Actually he was talking to me, at least partly. We've had a chat though and have managed to resolve a few misunderstandings and explain ourselves a bit better. From our conversation it seems that he agrees with my position for the most part, after all 
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Indeed, it was just some misunderstanding that got me carried away more then usual. Sorry for that. Cheers |
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 18:36
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the interaction with the crowd in dance music, is a bs that is growing from the commercial edm.
commercial djs are ridiculous fakers, who throw cake and talk on the microphone every 30 seconds. do shitty track transitions, and clap and jump like fools.
these days, people go to all sorts of parties, in various genres, and they expect that to be the model.
there's are still a lot of classic psy parties, where the djs are very close to the crowd, just bellow a tent with a decorated table with the decks. which is not even a proper stage.
comparing to this, where the crowd is far away, they have no clue about what the djs are doing.. so it doesn't really how much do they fake. or how much they are playing live.....
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 25, 2014 19:40
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splikz
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On 2014-06-25 19:40, Colin OOOD wrote:
So it's ok to lie on flyers if you don't think you'll get caught? Our conscience is just something that holds us back? Just checking if I understand you.
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it depends on what's your live act standards.
not sure about what paul is playing these days, but I know him mainly as dj.
and djs have a wider range of tracks to play, so although they may use laptops, they don't need to do things as: to create a fixed pre-sequence of tracks in their computer.
and in theory their mixes should be a little more complex and polished. and as djs, they should be doing some live mixing.... 
but that seams to be confusing to some people. to them, producers/live acts are the same as djs. and vice versa.
alhough most people in the psy scene work to be a live act. |
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