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snowdogg
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Posted : Jun 20, 2014 22:40
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^what band are you talking about?.. jus messin with ya:)
who can sequence everything in 145bpm psytrance with no help from a computer?.. yeah.. until then there will always be problems/claims of half-assing it.
im with frisbeehead in that i couldnt care if an artist decides to play everything "live" or not, As Long as they wrote it its cool with me, means more time to pump the audience up! (if you are a deadact that doesnt even dance - tut tut shame on you).
"progressive". its only a small step away from the shit Carl Cox is spewing out, but without the big payday. direct your hate towards a true cause ppl! hehe
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 20, 2014 22:56
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people can't sequence everything at 145, of course not. but they can sequence something... or at least one element per track.
there are those things called live edits...
but these days producers and djs want to travel with less and less gear. so don't expect full geared performances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vxCjm21RDQ
commercial edm in launchpad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2XhEtbs5AE
not perfect, but interesting performances.
there's no reason to be a fake act.
it's always possible to add some sort of live element to a performance. but that requires rehearsal.
to me is always a pleasure to see real bands and real musicians performing.
when I stick too long with electronic music, I forget how good that is.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 20, 2014 23:40
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On 2014-06-20 19:01, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2014-06-20 15:27, frisbeehead wrote:
If someone here doesn't like what artists are doing, then be my guest and do the world a favour by setting an example.
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I can think of acts who do exactly that, for instance a 4-piece band who actually play instruments alongside playback as part of their show, and with quality music and a 20-year global reputation in psytrance, too. But when was the last time you saw anyone like that on a major international lineup? (Hilight Tribe aren't psytrance as such so don't count).
The status quo gets preserved in a multitude of ways.
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Yeah, there's a lot of regulars in there and I - for one - don't think they actually represent the best. They don't even sound like psychedelic music, some of them. It's a shame.
I still think there's different qualities to appreciate as far as music is concerned. Some very good artists can't play the keyboards decently and still manage to get nice music through. There's room for everyone - not so much with the status quo filling the line ups, but you get the point |
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OzMike
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 09:14
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Promoters are cheap bastards in this scene. That's the problem. Then that allows for lazy artists and dj's. I've go no problem with best sync, but do something more than stare at a screen. It looks like you're watching porn.
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freez
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 11:58
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It looks like you're watching porn.
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Dats some boring porn your watching.
I still don't care if their is not much happening in a live act. I'm there to party, not watch the deejee.
Live psytrance HAH. get real
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 17:46
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the party crowds are always changing. each 10 years there's an entire new generation of party goers.
as long as they are happy with music in their faces............
promoters just wants thing to run flawlessly and to please the general crowd.
and for artists, the more people you bring to the party to see you play, the more power you have.
and more lame you can be. and more things you can demand, like gear that you don't use at all... 
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 20:43
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There's tons of short sighted promoters out there, for whom this is but a business just like any other. They don't care for artistic or cultural values, they're in it for the money.
The fact that there's artists in this scene that behave like stars says it all. This culture isn't about ego promotion, it's about community and the music is an excuse to gather and have a collective experience with ourselves and the nature around us. This may read as something naive to some, but it's the very thing that drove us to it in the first place. Many of those "status quo" acts - as Colin labeled them - just don't represent the psychedelic culture at all. And it's not because they don't carry hardware with them to act on stage any more, it's certainly not because they're staring in front of a screen "like they're watching porn" as the music goes, it's more to do with the artistic content and the kind of message that gets through. But isn't that another subject altogether?
I think making good diagnosis of any situation isn't an end in itself, it should be the beginning of something else. If artists feel that the music doesn't speak to them, does no longer suit a psychedelic experience or whatever, they have the opportunity to set an example, find like minded people and their correspondent audience. If others feel like there should be more performance oriented acts (I do to), then go ahead and explore those realms yourself.
On that topic I think there's a lot of interesting stuff happening today. Check Mostly Robots (with Tim Exile, amazing what he gets out of Reaktor); then check BeardyMan with his voice and loop based setup made with the help of some geniuses like Dave Gamble (from DMG audio), and there's tons more... There's more and more people performing with euro rack modulars on stage, not so much in the psytrance scene, but they managed to get an audience for even weirder kind of music.
If they can do it, then so can we. We don't need to rely on the big fancy season festivals to get our music to our audience, we don't need to fight for a place in those lineups, most specially when we don't identify so much with the kind of events that are taking place everywhere, if we feel they misrepresent us. What we need is to work harder and more positive attitude. |
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2014 22:17
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the gap between those who keep their psychedelic roots and those who go into more commercial psy (which is not psy at all) is getting bigger.
but that's all another issue.
the more the popularity grows, the more comfortable artists are in pressing play and minimizing the effort in their performances. instead of doing the opposite, which is to become more complex and present amazing live music, for more and more people.
personally I don't agree with mentality. I think that the more popular someone is, the more he should give from himself, every time he plays.
the overall increase of popularity in the electronic dance music is somehow disappointing to me.
star egos, feel that the only things that they should give to the fans is their presence in the stage, plus loud music.
and maybe we should do the same! |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 22, 2014 03:41
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^yeah, I tend to agree with this. and that gap you mention, that's a nice way to put it. the gap can hopefully become big enough to justify the beginning of a different independent path for those of us who don't exactly identify with the commercial, not so psychedelic after all scene. |
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OzMike
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Posted : Jun 23, 2014 15:15
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I think the problem in this scene is a general lack of negro influence. Negroes have a flair for live performance that say Jews and white fellas lack. This scene needs more negro's.
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knocz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2014 20:53
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On 2014-06-23 15:15, OzMike wrote:
I think the problem in this scene is a general lack of negro influence. Negroes have a flair for live performance that say Jews and white fellas lack. This scene needs more negro's.
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I wouldn't go as far as using or blaming ethnic groups, as that's simple unfair -> no two people are equal, neither can we have accurate categories which fall into the same definition regarding social behavior (as the same way you aren't responsible by the actions of other people in your ethnic group).
But I would say the scene definitely needs more soul into it, a little more effort to keep it real and more balls, instead of not actually doing anything except pressing the space bar.
Even if you're an awesome composer / producer / mixer, are a master with the mouse and have no performance skills what-so-ever, your act should base on your interpretation of your tunes at that specific time, and you can always compose / produce / mix live, even if it's only playing with pre-recorded material.. but when you line up all the tunes in your DAW, you aren't even beat-matching the tunes live, so even the lousiest DJ that only uses the sync button is doing more than the live act guy.
So, IMHO if I'd like to hear a fake, I'd rather hear his set at home on my own system; or, if it must be faked on a live stage, to let people know by some manner and for instance step off the stage and stomp the floor with your peers in the dance floor.
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supergroover
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Posted : Jun 23, 2014 21:25
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I am pretty sure most artists don't have enough time on their hands to make live edits of every track. I'd rather have them work on good tracks than divide their time between making a good track and making a liveset that not many people with notice to be different from the original..
if you live from music. Sure, you have plenty of time to make a real live set. Otherwise, I don't care so much.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 23, 2014 21:39
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I think psychedelic trance in general has a lot more to do with the experience of sound then it is to do with the interaction of the performer with the audience. You're supposed to provide a journey for people to loose their minds with, and any decision regarding the performance should have this in mind: is it complementary to the sound and music or not? If it's just about teasing the audiences with some (after thought) tweaking action, then my answer would be: I'd rather see them seat there and do nothing.
If the music is good I actually don't care if the musicians are putting up a good show or not, the music speaks for itself and if the journey is good, it's all nice and cool for me. I'm one for "it's the music that counts the most", sort of thing. It doesn't turn out that great when performance is just an after thought...
Ultimately, it depends on the artists and the music. There's no right answers. I don't think the problem with the scene is lack of people doing synth solos on stage, certainly not lacking guitarists as well - we've had our healthy dose of that in early 2000's; not lack of soul either, as there's still some deep and engaging music. What we need is less copy cats, less status quo, less promoters always pushing the same names forward, a lot of sub genre wars that don't make sense and never did, and to gain a sense of professionalism throughout.
We could do without stupidity and haters as well, but that's just an after thought. |
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splikz
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 01:03
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On 2014-06-23 15:15, OzMike wrote:
I think the problem in this scene is a general lack of negro influence. Negroes have a flair for live performance that say Jews and white fellas lack. This scene needs more negro's.
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hahaha. |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jun 24, 2014 01:42
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On 2014-06-23 21:39, frisbeehead wrote:
I think psychedelic trance in general has a lot more to do with the experience of sound then it is to do with the interaction of the performer with the audience. |
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this!
for all i care we could scrap those big fancy stages, replace them with a nice big wall of speakers and seat the dj somewhere behind the sound system. seeing an artist or dj staring at the screen, tweaking knobs or dancing and waving his hands around does absolutely nothing for me and i'd rather be inside a crowd that cheers when they love the music than in one, where they cheer when the guy in front raises his hands.
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yep, but you missed the most important thing: the instant destruction of all veangance sample cds.  |
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