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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 5, 2003 19:15
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hafon
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Posted : Jul 5, 2003 20:01
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too big egos in here :S |
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yossi
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Posted : Jul 5, 2003 20:14
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well... its all over.
so why not here...
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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 5, 2003 23:38
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we will get over it.
till next time haha..
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shahar
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Posted : Jul 6, 2003 00:58
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Hmmmm....
Few points to add to the discussion.
when I help build a party line-up, which is something I did a few times in my life, I have a story in my mind. I try to fit the people I believe can tell this story the best way, in the right places. I consider my experiences (or of people I know the mind of) with them. I also think that most important is to know if this DJ can adapt, can surprise, can feel a crowd, can do something different. And yes, within a certain scope.
You see, it's not black and white, there are margins here. A DJ that can feel a crowd will play it the right music. Of course you can't expect someone who plays and connects mainly to soft progressive trance to play full on and vice versa, and that's where the story building I was talking about takes place. And of course it's important to tell the DJ about the crowd he's going to meet and the other way- it's always good to know who's sharing the party with you. When you know ppl better it's easier to connect to them.
On the other hand, a real good DJ will make ppl dance madly anyway. And this calls for an example. Few years back, a party in the desert, Mr. Mark Allen shows up, unplanned, a desert party was offered and he decided to come, don't think he was even paid or anything. A real surprise DJ. And what a surprise, he was certainly wasn't playing the music ppl were used to listen to in the morning than, it was a real surprise, music wise as well, and with one CDJ fucked, he still managed to get everybody dancing like maniacs- I remember that the way I described it to friends later was that ppl were trying to go out of their skins.
You can even check how it looked: http://www.isratrance.com/www/party_gallery/show_pics.php?p_id=57
So in the end it's about how good a DJ you are, and that is for another thread, which probably is here somewhere, including my thoughts about the subject- let's just say that open mind is what it's all about.
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Expectations are boring!
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Blind Mind
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 08:07
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Well Shahar, if you don't mind, just a short comment on your PS 
Expectations are boring when they are not fulfilled, imo.
Speaking about music:
When you know a Artist & the kind of style he plays, you have expectations about his sound.
When you know a Label & the kind of music they produce, you have expectations when you pick something from there.
When you don't know a Artist & you don't know what's his style, then you are surprised in a positive or negative way.
Or when you try a different Label, not knowing what to expect from the musical direction, or a unknow cd, then you'll be surprised in a positive or negative way.
That's why when i like some Label/Artist/Band etc i try to follow all their work, precisely because i know what kind of stuff to expect from them.
I have expectations from their music.
Even like that, sometimes there are also surprises, positives & negatives, otherwises the expectations are not frustated which means you are pleased because you won't get disappointed for what you expected, already knowing them.
Of course, if you ask if it's a better sensation to be surprised, no doubts about it, and that's exactly why i'm hooked on Trance music
Since for about 3 years, i'm very very surprised because every month i found 1/2/3 fantastic "Pieces of Art", that i'll keep them for all my Life, for sure.
That's why i have huge expectations in Trance music - BEing mySELF |
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shahar
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 08:14
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On 2003-07-07 08:07, Blind zero wrote:
When you know a Artist & the kind of style he plays, you have expectations about his sound.
When you know a Label & the kind of music they produce, you have expectations when you pick something from there.
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Then have expectations about the quality not about the content.
And yes, expectations are part of human nature, that does not mean we should let it run our lifes
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Blind Mind
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 08:23
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Concerning the Topic:
Not always, anyway many times we listen not exactly what we are expecting, enjoying or not, but what we deserve in a specific state of mind. - BEing mySELF |
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Anak
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 11:50
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detox, your example with Iron Maiden isnt really accurate here. tho i really was disappointed when i went to a Judas Priest concert and expected fast screaming guitars and tight leather trousers, but what i got was a new singer with short hair and wearing no leather at all but i really think this is a good thing at electronic music: u can mix styles. a crowd at a party wont be too dissapointed if, lets say, a prog dj plays one a lil more housy track in his set, or when a fullon dj plays an old infected track.
so i really cant understand why u are so disappointed if a dj plays an unexpected set. as yossi said, i'd rather go to see fatboy slim, who's got a very diverse style and isnt afraid of playing something VERY unexpected, than going to party with totally expected sets.
here some credits to djs that played very unexpected sets: xv kilist and rocco, who are never afraid to put on a Green Velvet track (they once played lalaland as the end for the set  ).
then also the one guy from (ex-) reefer decree, dont remember his name by heart right now, played very unexpect detroitish techno trax during his progressive set @ earthdance.
and off course mark allen, who gave a very diverse techno-trance set at a party in zurich last year.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 12:59
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Anakoloth i know that Trance and Metal music are way different but i just made an example
I would go to listen Fatboy slim and expect the unexpected from him since thats his style,unexpected music lol.
XV Killist plays Green Velvet?????
Wow that really strange and some people might feel positive while others negative about it,i would be on the positive side but thats just me anyway.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 13:02
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about iron maiden example - yes, its right in case u talk about iron maden, but on the other hand think how will react a jazz crowd if some jazzband will perform without any improvisation ?? its different way to expressing and different ppl to listen.
a credits to unexpected djs from me (im agree on all anakoluth wrote) will - synchro that just mix everything from anywhere and ppl going crazy no matter if its even israely full on lovers on open air morning. dj cosmix that perform with sets u cant recognize any track, its very slow, but its so spritual and well working. also emok and peter digital surprize me every time i hear them, and i talk about 4-6 times of each one. hmm, and me not affraid (??) (why to affraid ?? i dont have a kids asking a food and its my only way to get money) play synth-psy-pop or other unexpected things, and guess what, ppl like it.
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Anak
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Posted : Jul 7, 2003 14:20
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oh yeah detox, some ppl on the floor were very annoyed while others just jumped away and yelled "laaaaaaaaaalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand" in a very loud manner.
oh yes zombie, dj cosmix is also very diverse dj..heard him once, also at earthdance i think...
anyways, i respect all your opinions, its all matter of taste like whole life have a good one mates, hope u will enjoy the next party, with diversity, or without 
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 8, 2003 09:36
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Well, I think that when booking an artist you may have 2 options:
1. book a live set of the artist (or one of his/her side projects), then u get the exact music style u asked for, since u heard it on releases.
2. book a DJ set from an artist, which many times lead to more free aproach from the artist - they play their live set all over, so when they get to play DJ sets they many times like to explore new territories...
I think the crowd deserves to get what they expect, I understand the dissapointment of comming to hear a certain artist for his musical style (like Olli's MOS style) and getting something else - like going to watch a David Lynch movie and getting to watch another 'Titanic'... its different when u go to watch an artist than a normal party, since u can expect what the music will be.
However, maybe being a bit open minded can result in more pleasure - look at the party in whole, not the specific playing artist.
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John
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Posted : Jul 8, 2003 11:03
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I made the point in a previous post that psy & metal are not that dissimilar in a lot of ways and the last few years has seen a shift in emphasis from DJs to people wanting to go and see "live" acts playing all the tunes that they know from their CDs at home - in much the same way that they would go and see a rock band - don't know if thats good or bad - just interesting...
(Though having said all that - I'd be pissed off if MWNN didn't play teleport and fluoressence and went off on some weird jazz funk tip!!)
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 8, 2003 14:42
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If a DJ wants to play something that people don't expect him to... it's his own right. Like Zombi said, surprises are good, and artistic freedom should not be inhibited. When you look at a DJ as winamp with a crossfader for the dancefloor, you might as well tell the artist what to play. When you look at him as an artist, let him do his own thing. For instance - Lish played fluffy prog in their night DJ set at the last Gabi&Twins party. Is it what I expected? No. Was I dissapointed? Yes.
BUT, even though I may disagree with the DJ, it's better to let him do his thing than to listen to EXACTLY what you expect. For that I can listen to music at home.
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