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Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:46
We are all one eternal God living inside an illusion of reality
Dogon
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:59
We are a living illusion & all is one eternal god           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 19:57
Eternal god looks like an illusion in front the eyes of reality,so live to die and then (a)live after death,to see the illusion of the reality clear,and know wich reality is more real...
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 22:48
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On 2006-10-23 18:09, psytones wrote:
Ok, we are all imitates of imitates? The way you walk, talk, act, react, express ... Originality is a hoax



you should read Social psychology it seems very interesting, my mother is studying it...
Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 17:06
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On 2006-10-23 18:24, Colin OOOD wrote:
Then let's hear what they come out with when they've developed into ARTISTS then, and not before!



tssk tssk... remember how it was for you back then? did you think about these things when you started making music or was it just pure fun and excitement and then joy of getting a release signes to a label? you've gone through that period so you should have the ability to relate. all the thoughts of making "true music" and being an "respected artist" come after you're more experienced and get more ambitious about your work... and i'm not sure if it's necessarily a good thing. but that's a altogether different story too...           "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 18:53
I've written 4 replies and deleted them all lol... it's so hard to say what I mean in a way that can't be misunderstood. This is a conversation that needs to take place face-to-face where other people can't jump in in the middle of a point and divert the conversation Still, here we go...

You say: "all the thoughts of making "true music" and being an "respected artist" come after you're more experienced and get more ambitious about your work... " and I kind of agree - I'd also say that it's only at when you get more experienced and ambitious with your work that you should even start to think about making your music available to the listening public if you want your music to last - and if you're too keen then labels should recognise composers whose work lacks depth and refrain from releasing their work until there's something more behind it than just RAAAAAAAARRRR.

And yes, that is taking into consideration my own origins with music and the trance scene (not the same things). I know, I know, I'm an idealist and that's not the way the scene works but fuck it.

BTW - different conversation but I would also say that anyone who takes pride from thinking of themselves as a 'respected artist' making 'true music' has more ego than is good for them as to my mind these labels can only be applied to you by other people, not by yourself.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 19:09
Let's simplify it.

99.9% of the world population are not naturally skilled to be Car Mechanics. They can become a Car Mechanic after some education. Some can even become great Car Mechanics and some ok and yet again some lousy Car Mechanics.

It's the same with music. Some got a natural gift for music from birth (very very few). Some can become great artist after a lot of playing, experimentation and hard work in the studio or on the chosen instrument or via education and theory. Some can become ok musicians and some (the majority of the world population) should not consider music as anything but a Hobby.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 19:25
I agree. Now what does it say about the scene when hobbyists can earn more from their music than those with natural gifts, or more than those who have worked hard to develop their skills? To me it says that talent and hard work are not valued, and that those responsible for moderating the flow of music to the listening public (labels, promoters) have either lost the ability to recognise good music when they hear it, or have chosen to value other things over quality.

To follow your mechanical analogy, imagine you take your car to have the engine rebuilt; it costs you $5 but breaks 2 days later - only you can't find the original engineer 'cos he's gone out of business. Is that what we want for the scene?

It's gonna take all of us to fix what's wrong with the scene, but it has to start with labels and promoters, as us musos are too wrapped up in our own egos to be able to admit that what we're doing isn't the best thing since sliced bread, and the listening public WILL believe whatever the labels' marketing tells them to believe, on the whole, and WILL, when they're drugged up to the eyeballs, dance to pretty much anything with a beat. I know this sounds harsh but I've seen it in action. Years ago there used to be something of a loose consensus amongst psytrance DJs that it was their responsibility - in whatever small measure - to educate their audiences and broaden their musical horizons. We need that back.

IMO           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 19:44
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On 2006-10-25 19:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
Years ago there used to be something of a loose consensus amongst psytrance DJs that it was their responsibility - in whatever small measure - to educate their audiences and broaden their musical horizons. We need that back.



Yes I agree. However those DJ's does exist out there. They are just not being offered any gigs. Just as the IMO truely talented unique artists also rarely get offered any gigs. The organisers go for the fast bpm's, simple commercial minded music and rarely ever change the direction of music. That's why we see the same few artists and in most cases the same DJ's playing everywhere. It is not because they are more talented or skilled than other artists (I could mention many artists who are burned out overrated and frankly never deserved to be on the top 20). IMO on the contrary. But they have labels and skilled PR people behind them who will write and say anything to sell their products. And sign anything too no matter the quality of the music.

The psy/Goa/Fullon/psychill/progressive trance scene need to evolve and strongly need to re-invent itself or we will see more and more MTV candy parties and less and less individuality and less and less musical surprises.

Of course there are skilled and talented artists out there and damn good music. In all mentioned genres. But there a miles and miles of "pause fish" inbetween. And the miles become longer and longer each day.

10 years ago everybody in the psyscene over and over talked about that we should never sell out to other interests than our own and keep controling our own scene in all aspects. Sadly that vision was washed away the day the music was discovered by people that saw an oportunity to exploid the whole scene and transfer it into a big discount Supermarket. Sadly the responsability also lies on those artist, labels and organisers from that time that chose to ignore what we had build over the first 5-7 years and ran as fast as possible after a life as superstars with money,fame, drugs and women like thirsty dogs.
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Arronax
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Posted : Oct 25, 2006 19:58
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On 2006-10-18 16:42, jacob wrote:
until recently i was downloading music alot and thats also how i discoverd this music but i understand what it means to work hard on a project, so i earased every thing and i am now going to buy the albums that i like and want to suport not all at once becouse i am not a rich man but i feel that it is good to suport thees artis whom create such great and moving music, for instans how much is it worth to listen to somthing that realy touches you inside you know or grinding until the sun comes up in the moment we all love so much i mean realy its priceles so 15 dollars give or take is nothing compared to what they give me i mean, i want to support this!! i cant speak for the rest of the world but to me personaly its well worth it and also the quality of the sound is so much better and i am not just talking about the audio, the hole picture inside and out you feel me. peace to all and think about it...





very nice intentions you've got my friend... but remember, there are artists who make tracks for pleasure, and not for money... so, before you delete all of your downloaded tracks, make sure you search your folders for artists like these

greetings
Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 16:55
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On 2006-10-25 18:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
I'd also say that it's only at when you get more experienced and ambitious with your work that you should even start to think about making your music available to the listening public if you want your music to last



...and you'll recognize that moment when you start re-re-re-re-rewriting the tracks to your upcoming album because you're overcritical, desperately chasing perfection and frustrated after every brief successful moment since you understand you'll never get there
the only problem (from my personal point of view) is that you can loose your creativity and the energy in your music in the process of "perfecting" tracks. but maybe there will come a day when creativity and the strive for perfection will join forces...

i understand your points and on some levels agree but i still have to remark that i sense a bit of envy behind it all

nice conversation all in all. thanks for that.
          "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 17:05
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On 2006-10-26 16:55, Outolintu wrote:
i understand your points and on some levels agree but i still have to remark that i sense a bit of envy behind it all



It would be a perfect discussion if you would restrain yourself from such remarks. Why is it the minute an artist express his concern or opinion he's automatically envy, greedy, a sell out and all the other things artists get thrown in their heards when they join a debate?           http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 17:23
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On 2006-10-26 17:05, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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On 2006-10-26 16:55, Outolintu wrote:
i understand your points and on some levels agree but i still have to remark that i sense a bit of envy behind it all



It would be a perfect discussion if you would restrain yourself from such remarks. Why is it the minute an artist express his concern or opinion he's automatically envy, greedy, a sell out and all the other things artists get thrown in their heards when they join a debate?






it had to be you of all peeps who lectures others of restraining themselves.
why did you feel threatened? i wrote "you"
(which can be ofcourse singular or plural) quoting colin so did you jump to conclusions or are you spekaing on behalf of colin who is very capable of expressing his own thoughts?
no real harm was meant. i just said what i sense. in any case it's just my teeny tiny opinion that you, trippy johnny, can overlook.

          "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 17:45
"nice conversation all in all. thanks for that."

You're one condescending fucker, outolintu, you know that?

I see now why Ott stopped posting in debates like this.

[EDIT] it's not about 'winning the argument' ffs.          Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 17:58
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On 2006-10-26 17:45, Colin OOOD wrote:
You're one condescending fucker, outolintu, you know that?
I see now why Ott stopped posting in debates like this.
[EDIT] it's not about 'winning the argument' ffs.



the "wonders" of the internet
the "nice conversation" remark was true
and not sarcasm or whatever you saw in it.
i DID enjoy the conversation...

          "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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