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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Oct 21, 2006 14:25
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On 2006-10-19 21:39, l337 wrote:
er...not what i meant...
i meant when trance started....the guys in goa... it wasnt for money.
also...yes colin you made more cash back then cos there was less artists and it was noval to the supporters of psy...
so then is the problem that there are too many artists?
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I think the number of 'artists' is the same now as it was then. But what defines an 'artist'? In the world of painting it takes more than just being good with a brush to create art, and I think the same applies in the world of music.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 21, 2006 14:55
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On 2006-10-21 14:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
I think the number of 'artists' is the same now as it was then. But what defines an 'artist'? In the world of painting it takes more than just being good with a brush to create art, and I think the same applies in the world of music.
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it's always interesting when "artists" start to define what "artist" really means and what you should be like to be an "artist". care to ellaborate?
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 21, 2006 15:22
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 21, 2006 16:38
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another problem is that artists accept shit terms from labels and agree (some lables have better terms , and therefor can afford better music , and artist as well listener should know who they are)
another problem is labels dont put out inough promotional stuff and sell only 300-400 copies.. (some do it , hardly 20% of those i work with , almost evryone can do better if think for couple of minutes and believe the music realy good inough)
i know as fact some albums sold more then 1000 copies (or atleast out of stock)
even.. if im not mistake , outlintu here sold the first haltya album in more copies 
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 14:18
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On 2006-10-21 15:22, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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On 2006-10-21 14:55, Outolintu wrote:
care to ellaborate? |
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Quite simple. Talent is the keyword.
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aah... it's that simple. ok, i get it.
ever thought that it's a subjective thing or that there is different kinds of talent?
either one of you wont get away with just one word no matter how talented you think you are 
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volvox box 2
Infect Insect
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 15:07
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the first haltya album tights my shoes for sure
btw its fun when a talented electronic music producer doesnt know wtf oscilator is supposed to be for example |
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 18:50
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IMO
To create music worthy of being called 'art', I think a composer/producer has to have two main attributes:
1) To be able to express themselves well with sound
2) To have something to express
A lot of music I've heard (and I've by no means heard as much as many of you, I'm sure) seems only to express one thing:
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR
All well and good, but personally I can only listen to so much RAAAAARRRRR before I start wondering what else the creator has to say... but in many cases that seems to be about it. Kind of the musical equivalent of Jackson Pollock to my ears.
Back when the scene was in its infancy, the technology was very different to how it is today and it took a very considerable investment, both financial and personal, to be able to make music worth listening to. Producers back then were therefore much more likely to be people who felt strongly enough about expressing themselves with music to make the investment, commitment and, in many cases, sacrifices necessary to do so. Now that the technology required to make music is so much more accessible, people who are Driven By The Urge To Communicate are outnumbered (it seems) by those who don't have a whole lot of creative talent but just want to yell in our ears or to dance on stage behind their laptops with pre-rendered 'lie' (sorry, typo, I meant 'live') sets and feel like Big Men.
I feel there's a need for a greater range of musical expression and experience on our dancefloors... the music is out there to fulfill this need, but it needs supporting by labels, promoters and the music-buying and listening public.
IMO.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 20:44
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On 2006-10-22 18:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
IMO
To create music worthy of being called 'art', I think a composer/producer has to have two main attributes:
1) To be able to express themselves well with sound
2) To have something to express
A lot of music I've heard (and I've by no means heard as much as many of you, I'm sure) seems only to express one thing:
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRR
All well and good, but personally I can only listen to so much RAAAAARRRRR before I start wondering what else the creator has to say... but in many cases that seems to be about it. Kind of the musical equivalent of Jackson Pollock to my ears.
Back when the scene was in its infancy, the technology was very different to how it is today and it took a very considerable investment, both financial and personal, to be able to make music worth listening to. Producers back then were therefore much more likely to be people who felt strongly enough about expressing themselves with music to make the investment, commitment and, in many cases, sacrifices necessary to do so. Now that the technology required to make music is so much more accessible, people who are Driven By The Urge To Communicate are outnumbered (it seems) by those who don't have a whole lot of creative talent but just want to yell in our ears or to dance on stage behind their laptops with pre-rendered 'lie' (sorry, typo, I meant 'live') sets and feel like Big Men.
I feel there's a need for a greater range of musical expression and experience on our dancefloors... the music is out there to fulfill this need, but it needs supporting by labels, promoters and the music-buying and listening public.
IMO.
Enough words for you, Outolintu?
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Two words.
Spot on!
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 17:26
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colin: good answer. i was worried i'd get some ego boosting  i agree with you more or less. but somehow i have to disagree with the studio vs. laptop thing. i myself am also
a "studio guy" so i know what the difference is. but if i'd started doing music now or a couple of years a go i think i would have chosen a laptop (and perhaps a few tweak synths) for mostly financial reasons.
about RRRRRRAAARRRR music:
i think it's more about age. younger party peeps, the majority, like RRRRRRAARRR music because it's energetic, exciting, easy to dance to etc. nowerdays many young peeps can afford a "portable studio" and ofcourse they do it RRRAAARRR. don't tell me you didn't do it like that cause i know you did when i listen to your older tracks (that was RRRRRRRAAAARRRRR back then) . so maybe some got a jump start today compared to back then but isn't that actually good when you look at things in a long perspective? more might-be-great-electronic-music-ARTISTS in let's say 10-15 years of time?
trippy johnny: you're just a copycat
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 17:35
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 17:50
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On 2006-10-23 17:35, psytones wrote:
All humans are copies of copies.
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haha...i agree that we are copies of copies but i dont believe its that simple.
everything in nature is shapable, if you want to make a exact copy of something you really have to work hard, if its at all possible..
if we dont speak about copying a text or something thats is as trivial as that..
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:09
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Ok, we are all imitates of imitates? The way you walk, talk, act, react, express ... Originality is a hoax  |
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:24
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On 2006-10-23 17:26, Outolintu wrote:
i have to disagree with the studio vs. laptop thing. i myself am also
a "studio guy" so i know what the difference is. but if i'd started doing music now or a couple of years a go i think i would have chosen a laptop (and perhaps a few tweak synths) for mostly financial reasons. |
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You misunderstand. The type of computer used for the lie set is irrelevant, the important point is that it doesn't get touched during the set, ie. there is no difference between the lie set and putting on a mix CD. For instance, during one very well-known British psytrance duo's live set (NOT Voice of Cod I hasten to add!) at Glade festival this year, one laptop was playing back a pre-arranged selection of stereo wavs and the other was checking out the owner's Myspace page.
This is a separate discussion though.
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i think it's more about age. younger party peeps, the majority, like RRRRRRAARRR music because it's energetic, exciting, easy to dance to etc. nowerdays many young peeps can afford a "portable studio" and ofcourse they do it RRRAAARRR. don't tell me you didn't do it like that cause i know you did when i listen to your older tracks (that was RRRRRRRAAAARRRRR back then) . |
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I RAAAARRRed back then and I RARRRR now. I've got nothing against it per se but it's not the only emotion expressable through psytrance and people who express only this feeling (which itself can be combined with other emotions to make more complex music) with either their productions, DJ sets or events are limiting both themselves and the scene.
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Then let's hear what they come out with when they've developed into ARTISTS then, and not before!
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Pt.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:37
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a3k signature: it is very dificult to act as a single person, when inside this brain we are so many |
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 18:44
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On 2006-10-23 18:37, psytones wrote:
a3k signature: it is very dificult to act as a single person, when inside this brain we are so many
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Inside the soul we are all ONE
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