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Stylistic SCHOOLS are imaginary. the divisions are limiting and not psychedelic...

Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 03:03
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On 2006-03-01 15:22, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Failing to see the need for people to distance them selves from certain things, would mean that you are either naive or in denial. Just look at what kind of people get into psy-trance in the first place? People that want to deviate from the norm, that want to be different. So I am not surprised to see further segragation within the scene, when a certain style becomes the norm.
Why would anyone care what a few internet geeks, that are bored at home/work and are smoking joints in front of the PC, want to label their favourite music like, is what I don't understand. Apart from taking the piss out of them that is.

As an artist I put my music into perspective. I want to feel good when making tunes, but I also want to be part of the music business. To me there are two kinds of music, the one that I make for my self and the one I make for the labels. The one I make for my self will be whatever came to my mind that day. It could be me just playing my saxophone all day, without even recording a single lick, if that's what I felt like doing.
The one that I make for the labels is going to conform to certain cliches that would appeal to certain groups of people/labels and is going to shift as many units as possible so that labels will ask for more tunes.
I want to be happy in my life, but I also want to be successful in the music industry.
Some people will call me a sell out for wanting to do that, but personaly, I couldn't care less.




i agree...
its not a big deal, dont blame the artists blame the labels that think they know what people want to hear...

in the end a good track is a good track, and its also a bad track... so lets just live with it..

if you make music for the fun of it you shouldnt bother too much with what other think, and when you make music for others you should really try to analyze what people want, but for this you need a genre or something defining, otherwise you will just be shoting in the open air and probably hit the wrong things...

its the crowd that makes the artists go numb,

look at curt cobain...
a sad story indeed!
mono mono
Onnomon

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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 08:09
The stylistic schools are NOT imaginary, they ARE real and they are real for a good reason- i believe it comes down to the compositional approach. If you look at visual art, say painting, you'll notice quite a number of "schools". These are essentially styles. Paintings done in the impressionist style look distinctively different from the cubist style, or the dada style, or pointisillism. How it's put together absolutely affects the output and music is no different. Taking the trance genre specifically, the minimal style is put together differently than "dark", which is different from full-on, different from the older goa tracks. The most viable artist experiments with the compositional approach, or process, of making music. However there are a number of artists that generally use a single compositional approach and as a result their music tends to sound similar. It's not unreasonable to be able to recognize styles from certain countries. Let's not ignore the social feedback either. Artists listen to other artists, get some sort of impression of what inspires them, or what inspires a crowd and hence the stylistic inbreeding occurs. When a group of such artists, with same predominate musical input factors, feed off each other a stylistic spur forms. The fine details of their creation process may differ but the overall architecture is similar, which the world perceives as a genre or style. Come on, blues...I..VI..V, 12 bars. Deep inside an artists's brain, subconscious or not, a form materializes and what feels right or wrong, in terms of a musical compositional decisions, tends to be based on that which has been heard before. How many psytrance tracks work with groups of 8 bars, or use FM modulation lead patches? On the planetary scale trance is defined by 4/4, with the kick on each beat...and this goes for ALL trance, oakie-style included. How come the relentless rolling, studdering kick wasn't so "fashionable" 5 years ago? It's not like the idea is new but 5 years ago it would have been considered "out there". And this is where the labels factor in because they are the distribution points. Obviously if you choose to release your own music you can do anything you want. But because the labels act as stylistic "editors" they further perpetuate the stylistic divisions.

Yes, coagulation of styles (formation over time) is a complex process but it's rooted in the artistic approach and filtered by social and commercial/economic factors. I'm not sure there's a psytrance label out there that releases compilations with a widely varying set of tracks, say with bpms from 130 to 160. Seems like each label has it's own private "manifesto" evident by the ilk of tracks they choose to release. The buying or downloading public are aware of this, of course.

So cut out the label, put your tracks online, you can release anything you want. Problem is that some artists don't like to spend all that time trying to promote themselves, or make the public aware of their creations. That takes alot of energy so we rely on labels to do it for us. Face it, psytrance does have distinctive features, you can check the somewhat hilarious wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psytrance

hmmmm.....

And as the super discriminating listeners some of us tend to be, we've recognized the different approaches exemplifying the sub-styles. This is not the same argument or statement that "there's good music and bad music". That is something completely different. Perhaps Aaron you find the "arguing" over psytrance-sub-genre A vs psytrance-sub-genre B to be annoying, i certainly do. So instead of some pleeb asking which is better they should be asking, if they haven't figured it out, what makes each one sound different. At least at the end of the day you might have the satisfaction of learning something.

There's nothing stopping any of us, short of mental limitations, in getting music from places other than saiko sounds, proper.


<insert evil laughter sample here>

-dean




Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 18:33
Onnomon - nice post!
"Obviously if you choose to release your own music you can do anything you want"

thats probably the best way

btw, do you have this one
http://ill23.com/i-am-ohm-hooded-sweatshirt.htm
hehe

"I Am Ohm" is a real nice track...
Good work indeed!

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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 20:12
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