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Stylistic SCHOOLS are imaginary. the divisions are limiting and not psychedelic...
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 15:11
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so after about ten million "dark vs light" threads on isratrance...
and being old enough to remember the "minimal vs goa" division about 6 years back...
and being old enough to remember all the divisions in electronic music since the rave thing started...
and AS AN ARTIST...
i am completely tired of these stylistic guidelines determining the music.
lets face it- if its good music, whatever stylistics it reminds you of- its good music. and vice versa...
yet today- so called "open minded" psy people are always saying "this but not that" and saying they only like this or that style etc... these mental boxes are just like the ones from the mainstream musical world- demographics used to pigeonhole people and sell products to them.
so... labels will tend to reinforce this trend. don't look to them to innovate as they are trying to remain "true" to their percieved audience. "purist" thinking and religious fanaticism has ensured that people will see the music in different "sides" that are "battling" each other...
this is a lie or at least an imaginary idea I don't share.
artist- they want to innovate. I am often told not to mix things up- don't put any melodies in my Psy music as thats cheesy, or don't put anything too crazy in the melodic stuff, or don't make any breakbeat tracks or suddenly i've "gone breakbeat" or "gone melodic" or "gone dark" or "sold out" or whatever people like to say...
where is the open minded appreciation of good music across genre-stylistic categories?
who else is wondering when the 2 dimensional interpretations of psychedelic trance will stop and some real 3D music will start again?
while I am not currently still excited by old skool goa trance- i have to say that this music was the last time i felt beauty AND power were combined well...
if I am making some things with real spiritual depth who the hell will find it?
the dark people will say i sold out
the fluffy people will never dare listen to it because its "dark"
these little circles just sit there congratulating themselves that they have "perfect music" while never in fact examining if its a load of crap to think this or not...
since when is sectarianism psychedelic?
do you really want to reinforce these imaginary divisions?
what can one do to bring it all together?
end-of-rant.
please don't just argue with me to be devils-advocate. please really THINK before you post. thank you. |
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volvox box
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phobium
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Nathan
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 15:59
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ocelot, well there is such a thing that called Taste
There is no, and never will be an artist in any kind of art that bring to universal consensuses about his music. If you can love all kinds off trance from light to dark you are hell of a lucky guy.
ppl will always have good things to say about trance as much as bad things. No one can satisfy all. Complaining are natural thing.
There is music that is to light & slow for me; and there is music that way to dark& fast. In the end its all about emotional connection to the music, Isn't it?
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neuromantik
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 16:04
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On 2006-02-24 15:11, ocelot wrote:
so after about ten million "dark vs light" threads on isratrance...
and being old enough to remember the "minimal vs goa" division about 6 years back...
and being old enough to remember all the divisions in electronic music since the rave thing started...
and AS AN ARTIST...
i am completely tired of these stylistic guidelines determining the music.
lets face it- if its good music, whatever stylistics it reminds you of- its good music. and vice versa...
yet today- so called "open minded" psy people are always saying "this but not that" and saying they only like this or that style etc... these mental boxes are just like the ones from the mainstream musical world- demographics used to pigeonhole people and sell products to them.
so... labels will tend to reinforce this trend. don't look to them to innovate as they are trying to remain "true" to their percieved audience. "purist" thinking and religious fanaticism has ensured that people will see the music in different "sides" that are "battling" each other...
this is a lie or at least an imaginary idea I don't share.
artist- they want to innovate. I am often told not to mix things up- don't put any melodies in my Psy music as thats cheesy, or don't put anything too crazy in the melodic stuff, or don't make any breakbeat tracks or suddenly i've "gone breakbeat" or "gone melodic" or "gone dark" or "sold out" or whatever people like to say...
where is the open minded appreciation of good music across genre-stylistic categories?
who else is wondering when the 2 dimensional interpretations of psychedelic trance will stop and some real 3D music will start again?
while I am not currently still excited by old skool goa trance- i have to say that this music was the last time i felt beauty AND power were combined well...
if I am making some things with real spiritual depth who the hell will find it?
the dark people will say i sold out
the fluffy people will never dare listen to it because its "dark"
these little circles just sit there congratulating themselves that they have "perfect music" while never in fact examining if its a load of crap to think this or not...
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Although I agree with you on a whole that sectarism isn't psychedelic and artists should feel free to explore other avenues of styles and inspirations, let me ask you this as an artist: why do you care what people think is what style as long as your listeners continue to enjoy your music?
I mean I don't believe that monet lost sleep whether or not he was being "labelled" as impressionist while he considered himself an abstract expresionist? Now this isn't the first time I hear you post complaining of the attitudes of certain trance listeners, with their "killarhg" descriptive adjectives and their constant "sub-categorizing" labels, but really, who cares?
I make my own judgement on music, as I presume many others, and I don't let some label change my perception of an artist.
You need to definetly chill out and focus on making your music, and if people label you dark then so be it, as long as you don't that's what matters right?  |
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ND
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 00:12
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Someone speaks loud. I've been facing this since I've started my way to releases. The used to be "open minded" music lost its way...
Lots of labels seem to be afraid of releasing innovative stuff, they work by trends. Some funny replies like: "sorry we can't define this style, we can't release it" make me smile, how dumb.
Weird how they decide that psytrance can't be @ 130 bpm, how melody can't be never placed at progressive track, how bassline should be done and many more...
But hey, don't give a shit, keep on your way, as I do.
And for labels with superb categorizing skills: I make Electronic Music, one of the directions I'm into is Psychedelic Trance.
Let's end up with some quotes to follow:
"Without deviation, progress is not possible"
"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"
ND
Without Deviation, Progress Is Not Possible.
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 00:42
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ND don't forget the classic:
"change the snare and we'll release it"
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ND
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 12:10
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On 2006-02-25 00:42, Pavel wrote:
ND don't forget the classic:
"change the snare and we'll release it"
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Damn, almoust forgot  True.
ND
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crovax
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 16:00
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Well theres tons of good psychedelic music. I tend to like somewhat harder and twisted stuff, sometimes dark, sometimes melody. As long as its energetic music that fits the time and mood it is fine by me. Well it should make me dance 
Alot of the music I like is not easy to put under a "darkpsy" cathegory, it just is psychedelic trance |
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acidonacid
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 18:15
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good music is good music out of labels.
Everything it's just matter of taste and if you like more one kind this don't mean you must close your ears to another.
Will be very boring if everybody like or produce the same kind of music.
veeery boring...
Open your mind... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 14:13
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On 2006-02-24 21:44, Voxmulox wrote:
well i guess divisions are deeply rooted in human nature...if u look at major religions of today they are based on divisions...divisions also allow for what Adam Smith referred to as specialization...most of our psyche is based on economics and religion...so divisons are very psychedelic in nature...if u can multiply u can divide...divisions allow u to go into solitary confinement define or create a whole new genre...i see nothing wrong with divisions..also as far as labels go they are involved in a commercial activity and cater to the audience...so obviously they have clearly identified guidelines.. i understand that it can be difficult for an artist who wants to make experimental music or try out different styles and get a record deal...also i think people who can identify styles need to be respected because they obviosly are attempting to understand the music... it is easier to identify the artists with their style of music rather than their names...dont get me wrong..at least for me it is easier to remember an artist by his/her style than anything else ...its like a filing cabinet...Dark Folder-XYZ artists, Full On- ABC artists and so on...
also it as CATEGORY rather than DIVISION
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but an artist isn't a style.
style as category is not an accurate category so this is wrong wrong wrong more than its right.
i just played a set of entirely fluffy completely melodic trance last weekend- no one would guess its ocelot.
if you mean each CD release has some style that can be pinned down...ok i see that.
but artists?
thats beyond self-limiting- thats just suicide... |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 15:22
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Failing to see the need for people to distance them selves from certain things, would mean that you are either naive or in denial. Just look at what kind of people get into psy-trance in the first place? People that want to deviate from the norm, that want to be different. So I am not surprised to see further segragation within the scene, when a certain style becomes the norm.
Why would anyone care what a few internet geeks, that are bored at home/work and are smoking joints in front of the PC, want to label their favourite music like, is what I don't understand. Apart from taking the piss out of them that is.
As an artist I put my music into perspective. I want to feel good when making tunes, but I also want to be part of the music business. To me there are two kinds of music, the one that I make for my self and the one I make for the labels. The one I make for my self will be whatever came to my mind that day. It could be me just playing my saxophone all day, without even recording a single lick, if that's what I felt like doing.
The one that I make for the labels is going to conform to certain cliches that would appeal to certain groups of people/labels and is going to shift as many units as possible so that labels will ask for more tunes.
I want to be happy in my life, but I also want to be successful in the music industry.
Some people will call me a sell out for wanting to do that, but personaly, I couldn't care less.
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Pt.
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 15:37
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On 2006-02-25 16:00, crovax wrote:
it just is psychedelic trance
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And thats the basic core of what this music should be. (Some)People (well, hehe, mostly the people I read here on the forum) tend to forget that psy-trance is supposed to be psychedelic.
Dark-psy is just another psychedelic experience, like morning, or even psy-full-on. As long as it's "psy". It's ok ..
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code a
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 15:49
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the main thing that is going wrong is that they are playing the mainstream/commercial stuff at parties all of the time. predictable, simple and cheesy music that doesn't even closely resemble actual psytrance. how could it, it doesn't have any effect on the mind because of those points i just mentioned. real psytrance makes you think you are flying, you can touch the music and it makes you realize your mind can go a lot deeper than you would have thought possible. my preference is dark psy, obviously, cos i love the emotions it triggers in me, such as awe and a sort of feeling of power. it doesn't stop there tho, there is a lot of daytime stuff i like as well, but obviously it has to have the same features as the dark stuff: chaos, good melody and , most importantly, power. any of this music most of the artists (eg: timecode) are making these days is only the way it is so that more people get attracted to the scene in order for them to be able to make a living out of the art they practice. slowly but surely psy is morphing toward the widely appreciated forms of hardtrance and funky house. people dig it, there's money. one can't even call it good, innovative music even as such, cos all it is is regurgitated, easy-to-listen to chart bullshit with a deep bassline.
ocelot, keep doing what you do cos you're one of the people who have that definate ability to crawl in another persons head and bring out the best in it. |
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