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Stylistic SCHOOLS are imaginary. the divisions are limiting and not psychedelic...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 15:57
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Promoters will try and pull the biggest crowds they can. Labels will try and sell as many records as they can. Its just the way it is for them, because they are money making organisations.
Maybe things where different in the early ninenties when the people in the scene were maybe a bit more innocent and had day jobs/whatever, so they did not count on making as much money as possible through trance music? Who knows.
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 16:36
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Rinkadink was in Copenhagen with 1200 mics. His set was awful and very boring boom boom boom. I heard from some people that when he played in Germany a couple of weeks before, he played real Rinkadink feelings music with that extra psychedelic twist. Why is that? Why must people in Denmark get his bad sets and the people in Germany get his good sets? Why must the candyravers be a factor of what music he plays? All about attracting people and making money.
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orange
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 16:46
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Rinkadink was in Copenhagen with 1200 mics. His set was awful and very boring boom boom boom. I heard from some people that when he played in Germany a couple of weeks before, he played real Rinkadink feelings music with that extra psychedelic twist. Why is that? Why must people in Denmark get his bad sets and the people in Germany get his good sets?
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its like cooking cant get tha same resoltes everytime!
sometimes food will be great some time maybe needs more sault and sometimes maybe it will get burned !
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 17:26
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On 2006-03-01 15:57, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
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Rinkadink was in Copenhagen with 1200 mics. His set was awful and very boring boom boom boom. I heard from some people that when he played in Germany a couple of weeks before, he played real Rinkadink feelings music with that extra psychedelic twist. Why is that? Why must people in Denmark get his bad sets and the people in Germany get his good sets? Why must the candyravers be a factor of what music he plays? All about attracting people and making money.
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Could it be that he played a similar set that was simply received better by the german crowd?
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 17:33
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Promoters will try and pull the biggest crowds they can. |
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Rinkadink was in Copenhagen with 1200 mics. His set was awful and very boring boom boom boom. I heard from some people that when he played in Germany a couple of weeks before, he played real Rinkadink feelings music with that extra psychedelic twist. Why is that? Why must people in Denmark get his bad sets and the people in Germany get his good sets? Why must the candyravers be a factor of what music he plays? All about attracting people and making money.
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Could it be that he played a similar set that was simply received better by the german crowd?
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May be, but no. The crowd in Denbmark loved it (contains a lot of candyravers with big muscles and silicon titties). The persons who claimed it was better was present at both parties. It's like "he" (not just him) adopts to the crowd. And the danish crowd is very "boom boom, boring full-on vibes". But hey, who know... 
Yo, mister cook. No, I disagree. A good chef can make the same meal .. bla bla. You get my point.
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orange
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 18:51
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Shit do happen
Anyone seen (reality show) "Hell's Kitchen"? haha, I love that chef. Such an ass.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 22:50
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I think this is one downside to the all-encompasing capalist model of music distribution. Artists pursue legitimacy for their music by releasing with labels who generally have to avoid taking risks in order to achieve profitability. This leads to "change that kick drum" and "your music has too much melody" and "we only take full-on". If money is the root of all evil, and the entire viable distribution model is inexorably tied to money, isn't that a bit of a problem?
It's why I'm hashing out the idea behind compiling a free online compilation with the same professional quality as a product one might buy in stores (pro mastering, wave quality for download, and high-res cover art). Not because I think all music should be free - but simply that I feel artists should see a free release as a viable alternative to the restrictions of the commercial empire, and leading by example seems like the best way to do this. I guess we'll see if there's any interest for that project
Ocelot doing dancefloor-friendly psychedelic breakbeat sounds like a fantastic idea to me at any rate.
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timsensient
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Posted : Mar 2, 2006 00:13
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On 2006-03-01 15:57, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Promoters will try and pull the biggest crowds they can. |
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Rinkadink was in Copenhagen with 1200 mics. His set was awful and very boring boom boom boom. I heard from some people that when he played in Germany a couple of weeks before, he played real Rinkadink feelings music with that extra twist. Why is that? Why must people in Denmark get his bad sets and the people in Germany get his good sets? Why must the candyravers be a factor of what music he plays? All about attracting people and making money.
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better d.r.u.g.s. in germany
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rich
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Posted : Mar 2, 2006 00:48
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On 2006-03-01 18:51, psytones wrote:
Shit do happen
Anyone seen (reality show) "Hell's Kitchen"? haha, I love that chef. Such an ass.
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Hey, my girlfriend and I were on that show, as one of the customers who never got their entrees! (no joke!)
But to the topic Aaron started. I saw the same thing happen with punk rock in SF back in '80-'83. You'd have mixed lineups of all styles of punk bands. from the slow dirge of Flipper to the thrash of DKs to the anthem of the Avengers.
Then, the categories took over and the lineups were never mixed because the genres were too separated. Same thing with psytrance. And if you watch the movie Crush Groovin', you can see the same thing happened with hip hop. It used to be mixed styles, then the styles became more and more segragated and defined.
It just happens. Just sucks it's happening to a music we thought had more integrity (or spirit) than any other music.
I personally love the tracks that I love, no matter what the genre. I'm looking for music that moves me. Yahel or Paps, Reefer Decree or Psysex, Cujorious One or Xylamanda. Bring it.
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a3k
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 19:03
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maybe people don´t have divisions..maybe it can b to people identifie the sound they like..4 example: nowadays i am not so attracted by the so called "full on" - u don´t like to label it - well i don´t like the sonoritie people call full on..i am more attracted by the so called "dark" - or better - i am attracted by the sonorotie people call dark tastes indeed.
maybe people use this names to help them identifie with the sonoritie they like. ... |
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rich
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 19:36
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This one's not in my dictionary. Little help?
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Aluxe
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 23:08
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Styles maybe are good to sort of describe music in general, but not to confine or put barriers around an open mind. I think what is important is that the music moves you, and many styles will have elements of other styles. I like house but I find it much more difficult to find tracks that I really like in that genre, however in psy trance I can find them much faster. But that is not to say I like psy trance more, its just that there are more tracks in the psy trance genre that I can find that I like, the style is not so important. And there is a great deal of freedom to not need to belong to any certain style, you are open. As for me I rather be guided by the soul in the music, the naked groove, let that essence that moves me be the guide even if it jumps into different styles or creates a new one. What I like is the music, the style is merely to describe certain patterns and features of it. You want to get lost in the music, in the magic beyond superficial definitions, where new doors are opened and new lands are discovered. Yeah man, infinite is the richness and diversity of life, if anything makes sense is to be open minded for any face life has to offer. Anywhere you look there is something new you have not seen, a new thought and a door you have not opened. I am more for exploring these new doors and not getting locked in one room just for the tag it has. What is important is not the tag or the crust, but that which is inside and ALIVE. Like you know, the caged bird song talks about freedom.. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 14:45
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i just want to add some thoughts to this stew...
*** i think that the percieved style categories as labels and promoters define them are merely reactive and therefore behind the curve of what the people actually want. its a bit like politics- where the different political parties come up with a whole 'platform' to describe their ideas on different issues. and you can either take one of the parties "platforms" en masse, or go away.
you don't really get to pick "this issue from this party and that issue from that party" as its not a smorgasbord- its just "take it or leave it" pick one party that will represent all the issues...
so.... sure- you could be very unscientific and make two compilations-
one with a couple classic names of artists everyone knows- and a bunch of people copying them,
and one with a bunch of other names- maybe people don't know so well- and a bunch of people copying them.
and if you pit the two against each other you might get the idea that people prefer the former and thus the stylistics of the former- and yet you cannot be sure if they bought the former because they liked the stylistics or if they had just heard of some of the names before and therefore thought it a known good thing.
its difficult to separate things and as long as there are multiple variables you will see very unscientific decisions being made.
if people are buying groovy trance thats melodic and has special fx, you can't be sure if they are liking the groovy part, the melodic part, the special fx, or the way its all put together... you would have to test each one separately and there is always the finesse factor- where a certain artist can just make what would otherwise be cheesy SOUND GOOD where some other artist could turn even a good sound into total cheese so...
so my main point is that the stylistic schools are not the true range of what is possible- they are arbitrary. completely and utterly arbitrary- and they are reactive. they are behind the curve of what people actually want in the moment. in general, demographics and marketing in the capitalist model are extremely primitive- that is why you get that sickening feeling of "they dont get it" from an advertisement that is trying to act hip. they are pitching it based on faulty information and thus are not hitting their target and the feeling is one of falseness.
i think what i'm saying is less about some utopian ideals and more like an immediate problem of the moment that must be addressed by the business at large or it risks being marginalized by more accurate methods.
if you think about it- the time it takes to compile a cd and release it- plus the investment in tracks, plus the investment in reproduction and distribution... there is not so much room for being perceived as "out of touch" if one wishes to survive for more releases...
so there is just as much pressure to innovate and find the successfull factors as there is to be conservative and stick with status-quo...
i keep hope alive that there will sometime soon again be a style that brings the scenes together again-
something that excites people like 90's goa did.
i think the factor that is missing since then is a sort of intelligence- a sort of all-encompassing sense of intelligence- perhaps the model being passed around now that "the dancers are dumb" is in need of revision and its time to respect the intellect again?
anyway. enough provocation for this morning:)
Bom!
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kArO
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 22:51
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