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stop calling psy dark
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astralseeker
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:03
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simply the % of "dark " vibes in the psychedelic productions nowadays is so high that calling dark any psytrance tracks is logical in lots of people mind and sensitivity.
lots of people think that psychedelic trance as to be dark or acid or agressive to stay psyche...unfortunately....
psukos delos, soul travel
sounds can be completly full of harmony and hope and still induce soul travelling
maybe the more coke and other worst substances influence composers & listeners, the more this style of music will stay dark, speed, with this "end of the world" touch
...personnally i have always collect "morning" tracks, and still I found them as "psyche" as all your dark stuff
people need to describe what they feel about music, and words are powerfull ( like ohm  and creater
if lots of people use "dark" to qualify what is not progressive, or morning etc.... it is probably cause it is
dark can be with or without melody
most of melody that are going down are "dark"
every single track influence one's chakras in a specific way
wether it "hits" uppper ones or not is significative
whether people smile or not during a track is significative
whether people look down the ground or rised up their arms to space is significative
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS PSYTRANCE, FULLON , DARK, PROG, CORE ETC..
BUT MY HEART AND SOUL KNOW HOW HOPEFULL & GOOD I FEEL WHEN I LISTEN TO GOA TRANCE : -)
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:24
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i think it s usual tht ppl who dont actually understand pure psy music to call it dark now days...i think tht the so called dark shud actually be called psy night music ..wud tht make more sense..??
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Forest dreams
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:27
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On 2007-01-23 20:24, Cosmic Tandava wrote:
i think it s usual tht ppl who dont actually understand pure psy music to call it dark now days...i think tht the so called dark shud actually be called psy night music ..wud tht make more sense..??
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whateva you say 
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LoveLikeRain
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:27
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This is not about coke or speed mate. Its about whats in peoples hearts and what sounds good to them. What MOVES them on a dancefloor. Please don't say its negitive things that create this darker sounding Goa. It's all part of the whole. Like the Yin and Yang. Without light there is no dark. Without the dark there is no light. I love the darker sounding Goa-trance and find some of it quite psychedelic. It's increadible when its done well. All these millitant positions about music are perhaps unhealthy. Just enjoy what you enjoy and leave the other guy to do the same.
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soulfood
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:53
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Can we please start saying sounds instead of noises? It just has a better ring to it. Now I didn't want to be "that guy", but isnt noise generally an unpleasant and abrasive sound? Now I havent even heard any extreme night sounds that have these unpleasant frequencies, as the artists spend much time even making the most unsettling of sounds, friendly to the ear.
Educated folk say "sounds"
Pussies say "noises" (unless actually refering to an actual noise).
As for the whole dark thing. For the best part of it anything someone has described to me as "dark" has been latered deciphered by myself as either bouncy in a twisted kind of way or purely mystical.
I suppose its a losing arguement though as anyone for or against such subject has already made up their mind and once again a very valid point has fallen on deaf ears.
Well done for trying though. I'm with you
For the record though, I quite like the Astrix sound, recent (but not too recent mind!!!) Infected Mushroom and that whole ravey side of the scene, as it's nice dancey music with some solid grooves and more often than not, produced to perfection. But I'll be first first person to put there hand up and say it isnt psy trance and when I go to a psy trance party I want to hear psychedelic music. |
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v.v2
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 20:59
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i ask again -
- is this a problem of banding music together in the term dark, which has negative connotations,
- or the problem of bunching up things which shouldn't be put in the same box?
for former, just play it easy...get dark to mean just the right thing. Words have no absolute meaning by themselves, the meaning changes with time, and depends on how people apply it.
for the second - be a part of the solution and not the problem - so you propose more decentralisation? I don't think thats a good idea, unless really demanding
the corollary issues - dark has come to mean true psychedelic, or music without melodies, or harsh beats, or...is actually the perfect reason to expand the meaning of dark to something which suits us all best.
why fight the name because your pre-conceived notions tell you its a negative term..break free, do something different, today!
some will realise this is precisely why the term has come to be
but ocourse, its none of these, in which case im sorry to have thought about it with my own brain |
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eyerina
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 21:28
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nooo its not the drugs. i know this from my life, how people dont use some kind of strong shit to make an intense beautiful track. they can even do it being clear : )
i think that this dark cliche will cease soon, new soundforms will arrive from the ever-evolving universe and i am sure we won't be bored to ride on that wave : )))
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Jester Records
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 22:07
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I don't know about you guys, but this is the way i see things ...
Psytrance : music with melodies, twisted in a psychadelik way.
Full-on: Music with melodies twisted in a psy way, but with harder basslines and more layers, making the melodies a little harder to digest.
Dark : Music without melodies, getting closer towards technoish structures, with lots of sounds, twisted in a psy way with heavy, redundant basslines.
Then you have crossbreeds that have both those twisted sounds but not too much melodies, which i would call still maybe full-on.
Then also you get dark stuff with some short melodies only in the breakdowns, which i would call, umm, full-on.
so if people are telling me that, the PSYTRANCE that i love is now PENTA (example of that style) , then fuck that, i don't like psytrance anymore....
That is the problem here.. everyone wants things to be simple, when they really are not simple.
We want everything to be in the same basket, but its hard since they sound different..
maybe we should include some Nu-NRG into psychedelik Trance music as well, with a little bit of Acid techno, since its kinda twisted !!!
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 22:49
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On 2007-01-23 20:53, soulfood wrote:
Can we please start saying sounds instead of noises? It just has a better ring to it. Now I didn't want to be "that guy", but isnt noise generally an unpleasant and abrasive sound? Now I havent even heard any extreme night sounds that have these unpleasant frequencies, as the artists spend much time even making the most unsettling of sounds, friendly to the ear.
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Ahum. Never heard Osom's "Osmotrix" have you?
If you did you'd know there's some pretty unpleasant high sinus tones in that one. If you can't hear that anymore then your hearing is already compromised.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Sunai
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Posted : Jan 23, 2007 23:27
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I agree whith Ocelot,btw:Call it what u want.PEACE
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Kane
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 00:12
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On 2007-01-22 18:57, LoveLikeRain wrote:
At once calling for an end to the label "dark" for the music you produce and enjoy and then thrusting your own judgmental labels on full-on calling it "kiddie-rave-cheese-anthem "full-on" and "stooping" sounds very hypocritical to me. Perhaps it is best took at oneself prior to attacking others.
People call it dark for a reason and that may be because largly it lack melody. Melody brings light to music (for most people as nothing is absolute) and without light what do you have?
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Absolutly right, dark is full on only without melodies and with shitty sound. Ppl calling it dark so the music genre won't have the stereotype of the name "full on". Dark is full on, it should be called Dark Full On, and the last thing it should be called is "Psychedelic", cause there is nothing psychedelic in a bunch of noises and scratch with horrible sound. Full on is better, atleast it has melodies.
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You're right. Anyone who likes "dark" psy is wrong..and it surely CAN'T be psychedelic.
Do you have any idea about any other kind of psychedelic music..especially psychedelia from before the computer even played a part in music? Ever heard Hendrix live? Please explain to me how a music absolutely CAN'T BE psychedelic.
If you don't find "dark" psytrance psychedelic, I'm not going to lose sleep on it, but you aren't the one with the "right" point of view on the situation, as goes for everyone. |
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mudpeople
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 02:55
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Here's my few cents:
NONE OF YOU GETS TO TELL ME MY PERCEPTIONS. If I think its psychedelic because it has scratchy noises, thats UP TO ME.
If you try and tell me what I should and shouldnt like, you need to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
I personally find a lot of psytrance of ALL styles psychedelic. Its up to each of us to decide what trips us out the most. If, to you, thats fluffy synths, or organic sitar and tabla, or scratchy industrial noises, WHAT DOES THAT MATTER TO ANYONE BUT YOU. Side note: Techno has tripped me out far better than any psytrance.
Arrogance and elitism, name-calling and pigeonholing of styles, IS WHATS WRONG WITH TRANCE TODAY. Commercialism is bad but look at any music, it seems to be inevitable. At first, the few intimate gatherings, then the idiots take notice, and want more. The idiots have money too. Thats all that matters, to a business. Then, inevitably, you have Skazis and Eskimos playing what the idiots want to hear. Its not the fault of Skazi or Eskimo, that the idiots want to shower them with money.
If you like it soft with melodies, at around 132bpm, cool, me too! if you like it hard, abrasive, scratchy, amelodic, around 152bpm, ME TOO! Imagine this: its possible to like MORE THAN ONE STYLE OF PSYTRANCE.
"Im too 'progressive' to like 'dark'" is NOT A GOOD REASON to not like "dark" music. Thats an excuse to be lazy. An excuse to feel superior.
If you're looking to trance to elevate your self esteem you really ought to look elsewhere. If you cant find your own happiness, right here and now, where do you expect to find it?
Maybe you ought to quit, take a break, come back in a few months or years and see how much better it is. Maybe you just need to grow up a bit, and expand your horizons, and realize that you and ONLY YOU get to decide what you like.
If its not your decision, YOU ARE A POSER, look to the motives you have in liking trance. Do you like the music? What do you like? Looking cool in front of friends? Guess what. NO ONE ELSE CARES how cool you are. This is not me being a dick. This is the truth of Reality. The only one who cares, the only one who should care about what you do, is you.
What came first, the whiners, or what they whine about?
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rich
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 03:27
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@Aaron: I think if you want to take back the term 'psytrance' from labels and artists who have coopted the term for their own style of pop trance (and I wholeheartedly agree), it's going to take a couple things:
1) 'dark psy' artists need to stop labeling their music 'dark psy'. Let the people describe it how they feel it. Doesn't matter how many skulls are on the cover. Call it psytrance and don't be afraid.
2) Labels should be encouraged to come up with a new term for pop trance, one which makes their artist more accessible to the main stream (and increase sales and profit).
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full_on
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 03:42
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Ask the labels to stop calling their releases DARK, check some promotional texts on psyshop and saikosounds...
Dark is a word that sells today...
IMHO, for example:
I call Baphomet Engine and most 152+ releases Dark.
Penta (which I really like) make some dark and sometimes plain night music (night full on).
Mechanix, Technodrome, Ocelot, etc I think it's safe to call night music or night full on.
Jester Records gave a good description of these genres, but I make also a distinction between night fullon (night music) and other, more melodic/happy styles of full on.
Respect!
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 04:47
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You havn't heard these artists in the right place and time full_on.
Most of Penta's music is played in the morning. So is Ocelot's material from the 2nd album. I agree with the Baphemot connection but theres a lot of stuff above 152 that sounds very different. Wizack Twizack on Trippy Sharks for example. 155 BPM but a track that can definitely be played at sunrise.
Technodrome... only time I've heard them being played was in India... and it was absolutely a full power (kind of cheezy even) morning sound.
Interpretation of this music depends on how much you listen to it, and how much these Labels know about the music they release.
When done right, this style is quite the boundry pushing experience |
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