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Space Cat's Mastering Skills (or lack there of)
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 19:14
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On 2008-02-07 18:49, orca wrote:
you right spinster..not alot psytranse realeses use top gear..and using digital saves money.
and quality!
look..im not saying go to bob kat's studio and make a master there..but just dont go the other way totally..there is a middle to this.
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Bob Katz you mean? Hehe, surely he'd like to master some Psy Trance records
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 21:52
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On 2008-02-07 18:49, orca wrote:
look..im not saying go to bob kat's studio and make a master there..but just dont go the other way totally..there is a middle to this.
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And what would that middle be?
Using mid-end analogue equipment?
The problem is that unless you use really good hardware digital will for sure be better, so there is really no middle. Either you have really expensive gear or you are better off with digital.
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orca
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 23:52
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spindrift..the powercore and uad are very good answers.
they arent so cheep but sure dont cost like ssl channel or compressor..and the by far way better then waves. |
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Ghost Host
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Posted : Feb 11, 2008 15:04
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uad, powercore, waves are all great tools and it's kind a pointless to say that this one is better or worth, i guess it's all depends on the situation you use it and personal taste.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 19, 2008 17:00
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^^ Rightly said. Good & bad mastering is as subjective as the music itself  |
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Posted : Feb 19, 2008 19:16
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On 2008-02-19 17:00, Zman wrote:
^^ Rightly said. Good & bad mastering is as subjective as the music itself
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I dont think so, music and art is subjective beacuase everyone aesethics are different, but mastering is about how you present the work to the people.
Imagine yo go to a museum and the iliumination sucks so you cant apreciate properly the paintings. Everybody i the museaum will agree that the instalation was awfull.
Or in an arts book where impresion and paper are poor and you cant apreciate properly the orginal colors from paintings, photographs etc |
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Feb 19, 2008 19:49
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We just had an experience that could contribute to this discussion. We tried to master our tracks in various ways we even tried it ourselves but then we decided to try Mr. Silicon Sound and man the result was amazing really! He kept the tracks just as we wanted them but still he added Fatness and dynamics to them! Impressive we are really happy now with the result of this coming EP that we think of mastering the album with him also. You see mastering is a very important factor that makes the music more together and fatter so much better man if done by really pro people. It's not just making a high volume it's more like takeing the track and boosting it up to sound the best it can.
Hope this helps,
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Khopat
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Posted : Feb 19, 2008 21:21
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Posted : Feb 20, 2008 10:00
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On 2008-02-19 19:49, Soul Kontakt wrote:
added Fatness and dynamics to them!
You see mastering is a very important factor that makes the music more together and fatter so much better man if done by really pro people. It's not just making a high volume it's more like takeing the track and boosting it up to sound the best it can.
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TAS
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Posted : Feb 20, 2008 11:21
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I'm as much as an "newbie" in this as I could get... but still have some experinces with mastering since I have got some shit rlsd.
Well... to start it... In the beginning I had some crappy soundcard when I produced tracks.. so I bought an better one.. and voila! The soundquality increased alot!
And IMO, the better I learnt to get my tracks to sound from the beginning... the better the mastered tracks sounded in the end. So I have noone else to "blaim" then myself.
BUT, it's also importent to listen to your mastered tracks before you get it rlsd coz you might want it to sound in one way and the mastering guy/girl had something else in mind.
I got an mastered track that I wasn't satisfied with at all. Thought it had a lack of bass in it and sounded like some kinda effect was on it that "shut in" the bass. Told the guy this and when I got it back it sounded more like I wanted! 
But to get it even better I know I have to increase the quality of my production. Mastering can't do magik for my tracks... Have to work harder and learn more!
So, IMHO, the best way is to have contact with the one who is doing the mastering so you can tell them how you want it to sound, and also try to increase the quality of your production before you send it for mastering.
And I think it's all ok to have critisism on other ppl's work. In that way you can learn from your "mistakes" and improve it later on. If everyone says it's sounds awesome all the time you will get that Illusion and will not try to do any better since it seems ppl like it the way it sounds anyway.
This is the way I have learnt the most... when ppl gives me critisism on my work! I love it since it makes me try and work harder & better afterwards! 
Well well.. just my 2 cents...
Peace out!
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 05:22
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On 2008-01-20 11:59, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2008-01-20 06:32, The Journey Man Project wrote:
Tim Schuldt and 3 Point Turn are/were the only artists IMO who managed to move from makinf tracks to mastering them... the rest are a cheap joke... |
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anyway being a bit sweeping in those statements?
about mp3 rips - i wouldnt trust the low end...
about who is cheap and who is expensive you should find out everyones prices before you say that i know differently about many of the so-called facts you mentioned...
but ok. i accept your basic point. mastering is important and you dont like some peoples mastering and like others. im sure other people have other opinions.
but now its a question of- is this thread just a blunt big stick to beat on spacecat or are you complaining about varying mastering standards?
the topic says one thing but your post another...
not trying to be contrary or rude
just trying to point some things out...
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 05:24
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On 2008-01-20 15:18, duyoush wrote:
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On 2008-01-20 14:46, Elad wrote:
i compare it with tim shuldt , domestic and son kite mastering..
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LOL, yeaaa, right...u need to get down from the tree that u climbed on...couse u still a little kid compare to the artists that u mention...(tim shuldt,domestic,son kite)
to do a mastering to a cd is not an easy work and with out really great ears( talent that even artists dont have for mastering) and great equipment ( and i dont mean like all the progrems that every kid have from dl throw the internet..)
Mastering is the final gate and check before the cd is rls and need to give it a serious attention and not every kid that start to do music year ago and rls an album can do it properly..
dont get me wrong.. u might make some good music(if ppl say so..) but its not the same with mastering...
masteirng should be made by experiance ppl or studios that deal with cd's mastering...
This is my opinion...
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he said he compared it to them.
means "used it as a reference"
so its probably not totally deviating drastically far from them... |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 05:46
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ok sorry i got into this thread. i just read the intervening pages and it looks depressing childing and boring. ok have fun. someone better knock someone out so this stupid topic stops. you have 5 rounds of 5 minutes each. cagefight. |
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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 06:29
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anyway - journeyman you sound a bit- dare i say RUDE?
who died and made you the judge of mastering?
maybe you test mp3's indoors on passive two way club wunker speakers in a badly designed room...?
not saying you do, but you come off rather brashly and i guess i am not sure why anyone should take your word for it...
in a way you suceeded in your mission just by calling into question a specific persons abilities and now its a defensive game to stand up for him or not etc...
he could post another thread about why your judgement sucks but i get the feeling you would enjoy the attention a bit.
funny way of going about getting attention.
didnt your parents teach you there are two kinds of attention you can get from people, negative, and positive
yes they are both energy but one helps you
i-m quite ok with the mastering spacecat did on nightvision.
when i cranks those tracks up on a good open air sound system along with other tracks they seem pretty balanced...
club systems are another story but i would say much that sound systems indoors are horrible things usually tuned horribly and the first idiot that tells the dj to turn it up causes this losing battle with the limiter that just makes things sound bad... im all in favor of never running a red on the dj mixer and having loads of headroom and just turn the amps up a bit- but we music people just cant be trusted with that can we... we just turn it up more and more...
we are stupid fuckers that way...
also there are various mastering jobs i dont like as well but not so strongly as you do...
and i loved the hilarious bit where you are spacecats boss and get to tell him what a bad job he did... maybe if you were the only one purchasing work he had done... but its a bit over the top no? i dont say people cant be held responsible but thats a matter of the labels and the feedback they recieve and the choices they make based on that feedback etc... when you hire him you can bitch. when you buy a cd you can only really say to the label you dont like them using him... you arent his boss.
but anyway journeyman- you dont respect hippy dippy things so i have a problem respecting your rusty metal roots.
lay off the speed
go to a waterfall and smoke some dmt or something to blow your brain up a bit and blow off some steam...
seriously the cage fight is not a bad option if you can find someone as vicious as yourself to go up against. blow off some steam... |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 07:22
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 yeah I know it sounds aggro when I look back and I'm not sure where the original post came from...
but demeaning yourself to my level mr Ocelot ain't so mature either
Sorry to Mr S. Cat... and I do mean that sincerely.
btw I have never dones speed or anything... I smoked a fair bit of wheed 15 years ago and dropped a wee bit of LsD but got over quickly... I might get drunk once or twice a month now but can;t be fucked dealing with the hangovers or come downs anymore... I can 24 hours no show full power without any of that crap haha... and I do respect the hippies, I just never respected the stealing of other cultures by Western/White society... do we really crave a culture of our own we have to go to India andThailand and Nepal to steal it?
and if you don't like my metal roots that's grand for you... but seeing as I've bought so many of your cd's in orignal format, unlike probably 90% of users here, I'd say I deserve a wee bit of respectk Ocelot as well...
I have never ever used a P2P program for anything... not one mp3, porno, movie, tv show or anything... I always pay my hard earned $$$ for the original... just as I paid the $$$ for Cubase when I"m just starting out now to get to kow production instead of downloading a pirate version, yeah it cost $1250 of my Aussie cash but I think the guys who made it deserve it...
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