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Space Cat's Mastering Skills (or lack there of)
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 06:32
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I wish to all hell that artists would stop crankin' themselves as mastering experts when it ends up sounding like shit...
just try mixing in the new V.A from Avatar with any other dark psy track... it's awful... the bass is so quiet you almost need to flick the low frequency to full... why the fuck didn;t they do the music justice an pay for proper mastering?? Xenomorph is the same, his mastering is shite... and the only reason I see labels use these twits is that it is cheap... and cheap means shite quality...
Tim Schuldt and 3 Point Turn are/were the only artists IMO who managed to move from makinf tracks to mastering them... the rest are a cheap joke...
it's like choosing between eating at McDonald's or waiting for a booking at 5 star restraunt... the 5 star place might cost a fair whack more, and the wait may be longer, bnut overall it's worth it cos it tasts good and the atmospheres is done right...
labels, if you can't get ti mastered well then bloody well don't bother realsing it... I'd rather have less music and more quality, than moremusic and shite quality...
as a dj Nightvision is probably the worst compilation I own, puirely because the tracks ARE so damn good but the mastering is SOOOOOOO awful...
well done on ruining a good realese... how cheap!
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Zman
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 08:11
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well said M...
you have got a valid point. bad mastering = hairy women
big turn off...
labels really ought to pay a little more attention to mastering issues. 2007 had some grotesque mastering cases. the new cpc album for example, had some brilliant musical ideas but what the fuck went down with the mastering? it choked me almost...same with the 2005 Psykovsky album - musically amongst the best albums ever IMO but the mastering was a big disappointment for me. I really hope Vertigo Records re-masters that album (hopefully Psykovsky does it himself) and re-releases it! I would buy it despite the 3 copies i already own hehe : )
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 08:30
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hmm .. just heard this 1 and indeed seems to lack some bottom (tho mine is a mp3 rip) .. I have limited knowledge on the subject but the old adage applies here good i think .`you cant polish a turd` .. not the cd in question coz theres a wide mix of different producers here , but perhaps the psykovsky album .. just bad sound .. mastering cant help
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 11:59
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On 2008-01-20 06:32, The Journey Man Project wrote:
Tim Schuldt and 3 Point Turn are/were the only artists IMO who managed to move from makinf tracks to mastering them... the rest are a cheap joke... |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 14:37
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The mastering is only as good as the mix. If the mix is crappy than the mastering wouldn't be as good as it should be. All the full on albums I've heard than were mastered by Avi sound pristine to me. If you want to blame somebody perhaps you should blame those dark psy producers that appear on these compilations.
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 14:46
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son kite very good 
I have started to expirience mastering , did so far one cd and working on the second now...
i reken the result was pritty good , the label and 80% of the artists were happy with it.. one track i messed up and could be better I admit it but hey first time human thing u know.. and i compare it with tim shuldt , domestic and son kite mastering.. so pritty sure that even if its not 100% polished yet its defintly not something awfall like i hae been hearing on some cds (rather not to mention names)
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duyoush
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 15:18
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On 2008-01-20 14:46, Elad wrote:
i compare it with tim shuldt , domestic and son kite mastering..
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LOL, yeaaa, right...u need to get down from the tree that u climbed on...couse u still a little kid compare to the artists that u mention...(tim shuldt,domestic,son kite)
to do a mastering to a cd is not an easy work and with out really great ears( talent that even artists dont have for mastering) and great equipment ( and i dont mean like all the progrems that every kid have from dl throw the internet..)
Mastering is the final gate and check before the cd is rls and need to give it a serious attention and not every kid that start to do music year ago and rls an album can do it properly..
dont get me wrong.. u might make some good music(if ppl say so..) but its not the same with mastering...
masteirng should be made by experiance ppl or studios that deal with cd's mastering...
This is my opinion...
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Zman
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 16:18
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On 2008-01-20 14:46, Elad wrote:
i compare it with tim shuldt , domestic and son kite mastering..
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LOL, yeaaa, right...u need to get down from the tree that u climbed on...couse u still a little kid compare to the artists that u mention...(tim shuldt,domestic,son kite)
to do a mastering to a cd is not an easy work and with out really great ears( talent that even artists dont have for mastering) and great equipment ( and i dont mean like all the progrems that every kid have from dl throw the internet..)
Mastering is the final gate and check before the cd is rls and need to give it a serious attention and not every kid that start to do music year ago and rls an album can do it properly..
dont get me wrong.. u might make some good music(if ppl say so..) but its not the same with mastering...
masteirng should be made by experiance ppl or studios that deal with cd's mastering...
This is my opinion...
Cheers
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Hunter S.T.
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 18:46
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On 2008-01-20 06:32, The Journey Man Project wrote:
Tim Schuldt and 3 Point Turn are/were the only artists IMO who managed to move from makinf tracks to mastering them... the rest are a cheap joke...
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Chromatone and Artifakt ?? |
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 21:59
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Rather than come here and actually make a direct assault on someone's Mastering skills (or lack thereof) why don't you learn how to master yourself? Or flip that freq when ur mixing - that's what mixing is all about!!!!!
Do you want it all on a plate for you?
Moaning about it shows your lack of professional mixing ability!
Perhaps if you could show us your awesome mixing skills and, even better, explain just why it is you cannot mix so good, we may understand.
As I know, it it against the forum guidelines to start an attack on people, and you left psynews in a flurry of bad language and bad feelings, yet you still create bad karma topics here.
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 22:48
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On 2008-01-20 21:59, Fallen Angel wrote:
Rather than come here and actually make a direct assault on someone's Mastering skills (or lack thereof) why don't you learn how to master yourself? Or flip that freq when ur mixing - that's what mixing is all about!!!!!
Do you want it all on a plate for you?
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Well said! Speaking shit about artists is very easy. Mastering is what gives depth, punch, clarity and volume to your tracks. It is part science, part craft, and part alchemy. . . just like songwriting, singing, performing and recording.
While it's true that the gain, or volume level, is boosted during mastering, it may be that raw decibels are the least critical aspect of the process. What's important is the way mastering makes songs sound. Because in the end, mastering is less about "loud" and more about "proud."
Mastering is all about finesse.
How about some online services like :
http://www.audioplexus.com/
http://www.artmastering.com/
Pardon my ignorance. I don't know much about mastering.
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 22:54
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Fallen Angel, you need to be the one getting over themselves... I said his mastering skills were not on par... I see many people writing bad reviews of albums, compilations and paying out on certain producers and styles, including you... so if they ban you as well then I'll accept mine 
and yes I have a fair idea how to do mastering, seeing as 8 years ago my metal band recorded an 18 track demo cd in a studio that we paid $5000AU a day for 4 days... we were shown by one of the btter producers (he mastered a number of well known Aussie bands over the years), the process in detail, every stepr of every thing he did...
and we (the 5 members of the band) paid $4000AU each for a demo... $20, 000AU for the entire demo it cost us... don;t think many psy labels pay close to this for their finished products eh?
and my lack of profeesional mixing ability? Mate, if you can read english properly, you'd understand that the only reason I picked up on this issue was due tot he fact that I can mix... as I said, to mix it I have to increase the low end dramatically...
so you get ovoer yourself as well buddy... do not attack me again... you're the one who should be banned 
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:01
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 I left psynews because the regulations were tighter than Isratrance, and it was full of pretentious little know-alls like you... bad karma? dude, do you know how childish that sounds? "Oh no! The big bad man who listens to metal and dark psy used some naughty words and told Avi Algranati that his production skills weren;t great so now this forum must be blessed with the holy urine of a shanti psy producer to bring back the positive vibes", dude Goa trancse is dead and so is all that hippie crap, it's all about $$$ so grow up up and deal with it.
If somebody does a bad job ina proffessional industry they should be told about... I hate how in this scene if you have a "big name" you can get away with anything because your little psy groupies will support you...
if my boss calls me into her office and blasts me for fucking up my job, I don't tell her to go out and give it a go herself, or that she is giving me bad Karma ( )I take on board what she has to say so I can improve for the next time...
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:12
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On 2008-01-20 14:37, Pavel wrote:
The mastering is only as good as the mix. If the mix is crappy than the mastering wouldn't be as good as it should be.
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Fallen Angel
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Posted : Jan 20, 2008 23:14
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On 2008-01-20 23:01, The Journey Man Project wrote:it was full of pretentious little know-alls like you...
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I'm old enough to be your father my little journey san
So quit the pretentious crap
The point is... you make sweeping assumptions about things because you 'think' you know stuff about
You have a long way to go before you can make statements like your OP
Believe me, your input and slagging people off is childish to say the least!
Rather than slag people off - how about you post up one of your DJ mixes so we can hear just 'how' you mix if EQ is a problem for you
You can EQ can't you??? |
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