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l337
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Posted : Jun 20, 2006 19:21
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All around the world there are really large amazing festivals , with huge killargh lineups and supporters of the festivals within their thousands...
Why not here in South Africa
Has anyone thought to organise one, obviously organise something like this takes alot of logistics, marketing, and economic planning...
i suppose location would be the main problem, and then that of having enough capital to bring in all the best artists from around the world, and whether or not one can get the kind of crowd that can generate the money needed (with respect to overseas trancers making the mission to SA for the festival)
My question is...
Do you think South africa is ready for this kind of thing yet, or do you think that it would take several years of careful planning and laying the foundations and doing thr ground work for such a festival??
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 20, 2006 19:49
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i don't think its feasible in south africa because we wouldnt have enough support from non-south africans. festivals in europe have people coming from all countries surrounding because its easily accessible... south africa is completely isolated so nothing could be bigger than the vortexes...
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DeeDee
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Posted : Jun 20, 2006 20:15
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I geusse its all about addverising .
if you you can addvertise in all the cuontries , in the best maggizines , or even the radio , internet and tv
,then ALOT of people may come. you just need the richest organizers on earth! |
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marc_and_jason
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Posted : Jun 20, 2006 21:04
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Have U peeps heard of The New Beginning Festival?
It started up last year.Here's a link:
http://www.anewbeginning.co.za/
Er...it seems to be down right now.....  |
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l337
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Posted : Jun 20, 2006 23:59
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On 2006-06-20 21:04, marc_and_jason wrote:
Have U peeps heard of The New Beginning Festival?
It started up last year.Here's a link:
http://www.anewbeginning.co.za/
Er...it seems to be down right now.....
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yes have heard of it, but i dont think New Beginnings will succeed, firstly bad location, secondly its not just trance and it hardly has any big acts, but alot of bands and varied music, from the last time i checked about it
the thing is ...i rate alot of people would travel to SA for a party, i mean for the average european it isnt expensive coming here....also many of the artists and dj's would love to play here...
Many Europeans go to The Gathering in japan as well as Goa , i dont see what the difference is about coming down to SA or going there....
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Broken Toy
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 07:06
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Errr..
ANybody remember a little get together that was held around the turn of the Millenium? That was pretty mega and well attended by internationals.
Then there was the Solar eclipse festival in Zambia and the following one near Kruger national park that both only had a handful of internationals there - causing the parties to suffer a bit financially.
Then we have Origin festival that is also promoted and hyped quite a bit overseas but also fails to get an overwhelming international presence.
Theres a fair amount of evidence to suggest that if there is a massive festival that it aint gonna pull those lazy europeans and the rest of the world down here in the amounts that are required. I dont think any promoter here is willing to take the risk.
Anyway , with the exception of the Boom , festivals are seriously overrated to begin with. Its really not that cool to see so many artists in one place. More often than not, all they do is show (IMO) how similar sounding and lame all these supposedly " Killer " artists are.
I cant stand going to these festivals where every act is trying to be more full on than the next and there is zero subtlety to the party experience.
Seriously -less is often more. Dont think because you`re getting 30+ acts that the party is gonna be 30X better. |
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ApsyDrop
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 10:30
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Well said, dude.
I agree... "fully" (drum roll please... ) hehe.
Even in CT.... everybody is just trying so hard to "be better" than the next producer... make a "harder" track than the last guy... get the next "hook" that's gonna sink the dance floor......
How do you make "better" music than the next person? Music is not supposed to be an ego driven art.... Psychedelic music is not supposed to be able to even spell the word "ego". A lot of souls are being sold at the moment....
Every dj/producer... is trying to emulate the European or Israeli sound.... everything is becoming so homogenous. You go to a party... and you can't tell who's playing... because EVERYBODY SOUNDS THE SAME! That's what sets real artists aside from the rest... Like.. if you hear Infected Mushroom... you KNOW that's Infected mushroom... or... if you hear Broken Toy... you KNOW that's broken toy... because they have a unique feeling to their music.
You know.... you play a set of music at a party.... then people tell you... "you know what... your set was great!".. then i tell them "yeah.. i slotted one or two of my own tracks in there"... then they say.. "Oh... I didn't hear any difference.... they must've been good if they sound like everything else..." .... eish.... i'm still trying to figure out if i'm more disappointed in myself... or the mediocre expectectations of others.
Personally, I believe we have so much more right here in Cape Town... we have so many talented artists breathing down our necks... trying to make it in this unforgiving music industry.....
and here.... we have their peers.... saying...
let's rather get 25 overseas acts... and make one huge messy party that's going to be too big and overwhelming to actually enjoy..... we could get extremely dirty.. run around and listen to the same doof doof for 3 days... GREAT.
or... instead...
you can have a smaller party... with 5..6.. amazing music producers.. creating sounds that have never been heard before... rocking your world for one night.
Let's keep the good music rocking and the good times rolling.... keep it psychedelic and extremely incoherent!
Peace.
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ApsyDrop
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 10:33
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oh yeah...
and...
we need to make sure that we attract South Africans to the parties and be certain that our people are enjoying the parties.....before even thinking about getting Europeans over here.
Why is it that in Cape Town..... we're always thinking about catering for the foreign market before our own?
very strange...
but i suppose it comes with hundreds of years of mental conditioning.
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l337
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 11:28
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i hear exactly what you guys are saying and hold the same sort of reservations as yourselves....
what say you tho, if there had to be a large party crowd wise with really a line up of artists and djs not playing fullon bugger and better as the next or whatever....what i mean is take a make believe ideal
what a huge crowd brings is a massive amount of human energy , and maybe thats what i am thinking about here, but i suppose on the flip side , looking at pictures of such crowds at trance parties, it looks as if it may not always be ideal at all and maybe the smaller crowds could often be the better....
ApsyDrp: your comment on not catering for our own market....dont you think we have or are? i mean seriously, the majoprity of parties in CT have 90% cape townians going....
i canty really see how we are not catering for CT people....
i think what CT is lacking at the moment is a place like Upstairs....or a few chilled indoor psy spots for the winter monthes!
but i think if psy wants to really stand up here, we need to think about broadening our horizons, i think CT is saturated at the moment , we live within a global village and as far a i am concerned CT should be one of the strongest psy cities in the world,....beautiful locations, the cops here aren't as strict as other places etc....
we stil lhave this attitude of the big acts being overseas acts...frontlining our own artists instead of our artists frontlinging them.....
maybe it will take time, but cape town has laid the groundwork imho for cape town to become one of the major psy capitals in the world, fuck the lazy people, i am sure there are lots of people who would love to spend a few weeks in SA and attend a trance party or two while they are about it.....
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ApsyDrop
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 11:52
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sure yeah... ct parties are ct parties...
i'm talking about the prospect of having big parties...
catering more for the international masses than ct folk.
that's all.
and yeah... ct is an international psytrance capital already.
it has been for a number of years in many respects.
just because we don't have massive festivals.. doesn't mean we don't rock it!
and yeah.. i don't think loads and loads of people go down well at ct psytrance parties.... they just seem to litter excessively... drink insanely... and roll around in the mud like pigs.
but we're all entitled to our own opinion.
so... l337... throw this mega party! i'll come check it out!
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l337
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 12:08
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hahaahahahaha
ApsyDrop.....i do not have the means to throw such a party at this point in time....
maybe one day tho... |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 12:40
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On 2006-06-21 07:06, Broken Toy wrote:
Errr..
ANybody remember a little get together that was held around the turn of the Millenium? That was pretty mega and well attended by internationals.
Then there was the Solar eclipse festival in Zambia and the following one near Kruger national park that both only had a handful of internationals there - causing the parties to suffer a bit financially.
Then we have Origin festival that is also promoted and hyped quite a bit overseas but also fails to get an overwhelming international presence.
Theres a fair amount of evidence to suggest that if there is a massive festival that it aint gonna pull those lazy europeans and the rest of the world down here in the amounts that are required. I dont think any promoter here is willing to take the risk.
Anyway , with the exception of the Boom , festivals are seriously overrated to begin with. Its really not that cool to see so many artists in one place. More often than not, all they do is show (IMO) how similar sounding and lame all these supposedly " Killer " artists are.
I cant stand going to these festivals where every act is trying to be more full on than the next and there is zero subtlety to the party experience.
Seriously -less is often more. Dont think because you`re getting 30+ acts that the party is gonna be 30X better.
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i disagree...
for me its great to see my favourite acts at festival... but more the opportunity to mix with people from all over the world in an exotic setting... for 7 days straight is a experience which incites epiphany. i do agree that a 2 day party can be equally incredible... but to make a festival site your home, without the pressure to party party party... but rather come and go as you please and never feel rushed to be at the dancefloor can only be a good thing.
what about the fact there's a fullon floor playing night and day tunes, and then the progressive floor and further a chillout area... how can this not be enough? or how can this sound the same the whole time?
obviously if one spends 12 hours a day at the main floor the sound is all going to sound too similar... but thats the nature of the style is it not? surely you don't think 50 artists could all sound completely different.
i personally like to choose who i want to see... and i'll alrwady know what they sound like... and throw in a few i've never heard of...
i think 4,5 and 6 day festivals are the sickest thing one can experience in this genre. but it is, of course, all down to opinion and i do respect yours... after all i'm sure you've been to a lot more than me...
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Broken Toy
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 16:11
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I actually agree with you Caligula,
Was just trying to show the flipside.
I also find that you really settle into a serious party groove after about day 4 and then its totally blissed out. Then , as you say , you know the artists you like and you save your ears and energy for them.
Anyway , there is still one thing thats hindering the scene in SOuth Africa , and luckily its only a matter of time before it is sorted out.
Why is the trance scene so massively focused on Cape Town ?? OK - I dont want an answer to this , its my opening statement. The scene needs to be as big everywhere as it is in Cape TOwn.
Right now we have the problem that DJs or artists come from overseas and there is not enough of a national trance infrustructure to support them doing a proper tour of the country. Normally , you`d go to Europe , Japan , or Brazil ( to name just a few ) and be able to play at least 5 gigs on one plane ticket , making it seriously worthwhile for promoters to bring artists and for artists to WANT to come over.
Why hasnt trance spread over the country at the level that its at in CT ? I suppose it suits the CT lifestyle and all , but C`mon! There are so many places in SA where the locations would be magical for parties! I for one am a bit pissed off that the shit aint happenin` across the country , showcasing the beautiful natural diversity of the land!
So something more important for people to think about, is not whether international party-goers will come to a big festival in SA , but if there were a big killer festival up country somewhere , would the CT crowd be willing to travel up there and help support the growth of the scene in other areas of their OWN country?
Further up-country needs big thrashing parties to show them what its all about and that its possible to have them in their areas too. Maybe some seriously rich and forward thinking trance promoters from CT need to consider this. There are a lot of issues here regarding corporate sponsorship etc. that need to be adressed too.
If this ever happens and happens well , i guarantee you that the state of trance , the amount of artists coming over , and the possibility for major festivals will improve dramatically ( and then we can also be prepared for the downside this brings hehehe).
Take brazil for instance , you can go to a trance party any night of the week , and on the weekend there are at least 10-15 big parties nationwide on a given night. And then there are festivals as well. Everytime i`ve walk through the airport here i`ve bumped into at least two djs or artists who are going in or out. Comparable to SA? Not quite , and its perfectly understandable why its more popular as a trance tourist destination.
Solution? Wider dispersion of parties across SA. Nuff said. |
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 18:59
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Solution:
Cheap flights to South Africa!!
speaking as a Europeel  ~ it costs approx 1000 of your African Rands (max) for me to fly return to anywhere in Europe!!! ( and that includes change for a carton of smokes in duty free & a bottle of Jack)
... it cost approx 7000 of your Rands to fly to Z.A.
... so... the fact that the Psytrance scene is made up primarily of 'Skint Hippys' 
Its all pretty self explanatory to me (It takes a Millenium party or Total Solar Eclipse to justify that expenditure to fly to Z.A for a Trance Party)....
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s@tanboy
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Posted : Jun 21, 2006 19:02
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On 2006-06-21 10:30, ApsyDrop wrote:
You know.... you play a set of music at a party.... then people tell you... "you know what... your set was great!".. then i tell them "yeah.. i slotted one or two of my own tracks in there"... then they say.. "Oh... I didn't hear any difference.... they must've been good if they sound like everything else..." .... eish.... i'm still trying to figure out if i'm more disappointed in myself... or the mediocre expectectations of others. |
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Bwahahaha...I know what they mean dude, don't take it as an insult but rather as praise. Some people just don't realise that the local talent is just as good as any international act (better IMHO). |
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