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Son Kite on playing live in trance
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PIN
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Posted : Jul 16, 2006 18:59
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Here in Brazil they have been using the term "in concert" in order to distinguish the usual live acts to the ones that involves live instruments.
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Posted : Aug 23, 2006 13:49
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On 2006-07-14 14:19, Seb wrote:
at the moment we’re actually taking a new step with our live performance.
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keep doing it like this guys!! i'm really happy that i had a chance to listen to your live at Ozora this year. it was absolutely the best live i've ever heard to..
I am in total agreement with you guys in the case of fake live acts.
thank you Seb and Marcus for the beauty of your art-music.. that's the thing that makes me love this music and parties 
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leggy
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Posted : Aug 23, 2006 17:31
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live music at its best starring son kite ozora 2006, music as it should be , totally amazing. one of the best live sets end of story |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 04:05
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We are almost finished constructing our Liveset and I don't even know if you guys would categorize us as a Playback performance.
As I see it Playing Live should mean that you play Live and not that you push "play".
that being said I Understand why some people do it becaurse playing an Arrangement consisting of maybe 50-100 audio/midi tracks live would make even the most skilled musician sweat and probably cry.
As a Classical Pianist I know a bit about playing an instrument and our Liveset WILL draw on this ability but no matter how much and how loud I play my synth the live set will still consist of 99% prerecorded audio/midi. we have ONE single synth (Nord lead 2x) that I play and speeze during our liveset and thats it. then we have the different audio tracks put in groups (Kick, bass, percs etc. in different mixer channels) which we can adjust using the Mixers basic funtions...
-now let me ask you guys: Are we playing Live? -or Live enough?
If you asked me the same question I would answer something like:
yes some of the stuff we play live and some of the stuff is wav files. the Monotone basics of our tracks and in trance we do in waves to enhance similarity and avoid glitches and mistakes and organic more atmospheric sounds such as tweaking synth themes, chords etc we will do live where we feel like it.
Now to the REEL question:
How does you Live show/act add to the listeners experience of your music?
This is what its all about. i recon that most artist does the laptob single wav playback for the simple reason that they think this would sound best -maybe coz of limited funds and equipment or just plain simple lack of talent in playing instruments real time. Now to asnwer the question a "Laptob Live act  " would have to say that his Live act doesn't give anything to people that they couldnt have gotten from a DJ, -this keeping in mind that we are not a pop scene where simply the appearance of an artist in person gives people a kick.. -i would say that when we play Live we DO change the experience of the listener if my synth performances are memorable and good and if I got in the music and added to the energy of the tracks by connecting to the crowd.
-by adding to energetic buildups (with a synth tweaking and ripping the air apart) when people ware ready to go dance their legs off and by controling the intensity of sounds on the mixer one should have the tools for an organic performance but 99% is still Playback.
so again...  -Are WE a LIVE Live act? -you tell me
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NoxLupi
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 14:20
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In replye to the fake liveacts being ok...
If this keeps on getting exepted we will properbly just be leeching the set in the future.. so the artist sits on his fat arss and the organizers leech the Liveset and hire an actor.. or play it them selves. THE BIG PROBLEM IN THE TRANCE SCENE! IS: that people dont care about quality.. they dont care about SH*T.. thay dont give a f*ck they just want music.. they just dont get the big picture.. keep on acting like this.. and there will be no scene!!!! And the only trance you will get is from non talentet people jerking off to fruityLoops!!!
Peace.
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 14:44
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On 2006-07-13 03:02, clown wrote:
Hum, i dunno.. People seem to care a little too much to details that don't really chance anything.. I think we often forget that the style we like and enjoy is ELECTRONIC music. not hardrock, not acustic guitar, not the fucken violin nor that stupid flute. What more is there to do LIVE ?? okay, so i must admit i use to preach about how its gay to have fake live acts, but common guys, GET OVER IT !!! You pay for a ticket to SEE your favorite artist LIVE in front of you, smiling and dancing and twisting a few knobs, not dance with his hot chixs in bikini's doing the fucken macarena. (although the chix in bikini's would be a good idea) 
Damn, i sound like an asshole right now, but it just gets me ticked to see the people forget about the hard STUDIO TIME invested to make a track perfectly, to mix it to perfection and then to prepair a LIVE SET, pre-recorded or not. all this takes time and precision and honestly, i can't begin to imagine a REAL LIVE ARTIST WITH HIS DAMN GUITAR fuck up on a note durring his super officiel live act with jumping dogs through hoops of fire, while im on the dancefloor laced on lsd trying to understand what im listening too.. People pay for 100% quality, not to hear duvdev sing live..
what im trying to say is that let the artist share his music with the people and lets not get caught up in what he's doing on stage.
and what's wrong with dj's spinning with cd players???
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man , are u for real??????????
thats the most pathetic statement ive seen in the whole forum! i hope not many people think like that or maybe its time to stop going to parties!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 17:47
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((( MOKKSHH )))
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 21:31
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well there r a lot of organisers in india as well who r nothing but "PURE CHEATERS"
they get so many artist n all but no live
well son kite havnt seen them live but definately like their music .....
organisers shld be harrased a lot as they do the same 2 us and charge a fcukin bomb for some local idiot artist claiming 2 be the "this-is-it" guys ....
fcuk people r actually losing their mind n dunno where they r heading 4 in life...
balls 2 such organisers
IT T@KES TIME N DEEPER SELF-RE@L!Z@T!ON TO FEEL IT ..... N WHN IT H@PPENS , U KNW TH@T U H@V FIN@LLY ST@RTED!!!!!!!!!!
LiFe Is A TriP.....It HaS BeGuN
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sue
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 15:30
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On 2006-08-23 13:49, aaaa wrote:
keep doing it like this guys!! i'm really happy that i had a chance to listen to your live at Ozora this year. it was absolutely the best live i've ever heard to..
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i'm also with you about this years ozora live... it was just perfect! i liked that minilogue beginning very much.. (question: could that also mean that you more willingly care for this project than son kite in the near future?)
pls guys come back to us in hungary as many times as you can, we simply can not get bored of you!!
(and we can hardly see a real LIVE pa here, although loads of superstars are coming on many trendy psyparties almost every weekend... but it's the same well-known story, no need to say more, i suggest )
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neuromantik
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 16:53
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Pfff no acts that I know of are live, not even Son Kite. You still use a playback track no?
Want to see a great electronic live? Go watch the homecoming concert in "Revenge of the Nerds"! Now that's LIVE!!!
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Raoul V
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 11:26
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I dont think, any trance is really played live.... with all respect to son kite, who r fucking great by the way.....
I think its technically impossible to sequence music at 145 beats per minute... some sounds yes, all your sounds hell no...
from what i understand from this thread, its ok to stand behind ur laptop, IF you have a nord a virus or any harware you can plugin to your mackie because you can play inconsiquential sounds, backgruond noises, fx, pads etc, soft leads... but is this really live in the real sense... i mean is it possible for say the keyboaordist/guitarist to go onto a 6 min solo at a trance party?? not quite... he has to stick to the outline of the track he is playing.. if he wants to use a funky riff instead of his standard thats cool, but he is still falling in with the outline of his original track/idea...
also if that is the case then if an artist burns his tracks onto a cd with layers missing from his track, and plays as a dj, and uses harware to create extra fx, leads, pads etc etc.. its the same thing right??
so to me the whole 'live act' in trance is as ambigous to say the lease... |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Aug 29, 2006 02:45
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On 2006-08-28 11:26, Raoul V wrote:
I dont think, any trance is really played live.... with all respect to son kite, who r fucking great by the way.....
I think its technically impossible to sequence music at 145 beats per minute... some sounds yes, all your sounds hell no...
from what i understand from this thread, its ok to stand behind ur laptop, IF you have a nord a virus or any harware you can plugin to your mackie because you can play inconsiquential sounds, backgruond noises, fx, pads etc, soft leads... but is this really live in the real sense... i mean is it possible for say the keyboaordist/guitarist to go onto a 6 min solo at a trance party?? not quite... he has to stick to the outline of the track he is playing.. if he wants to use a funky riff instead of his standard thats cool, but he is still falling in with the outline of his original track/idea...
also if that is the case then if an artist burns his tracks onto a cd with layers missing from his track, and plays as a dj, and uses harware to create extra fx, leads, pads etc etc.. its the same thing right??
so to me the whole 'live act' in trance is as ambigous to say the lease...
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well... when a jazz band goes into trumpet solo mode or whatever, -the trumpet improvises but the rest of the band really just play "loops"/repeating sequences untill they all wanna go on with the performance...
-you can do the same thing in trance np.
but yeah it's not a band that plays the ground of the tracks but a wav ergo playback...
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Banel
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Posted : Aug 29, 2006 10:16
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Massive respect to seb and others who makes an effort about playing.
Many good things has been said by Seb in this thread, and i hope many will discover it, cause it is things like this we need to hear. heres a guy with something many can learn from. A true inspiration. I am deeply impressed, and inspired, of what Son Kite have done over the past 10 years or so.
I like the statement that theres millions of ways/possibilities of playing.
when Rene and I decided to start a new project together (Behind Blue Eyes) in 2004 we immidietly agreed that a main goal for us was to always develop our live set and not fall into the "press play and pretend" sets. we risk making mistakes but thats how it is when you play, its a bigger challenge in many ways and heaps more fun. We dont play real instruments in our sets, but we have plenty to do with loops and effects both of us, with two laptops, two midi controllers, a DP2 effect module and a discumbobulator. And more to be added as we go along. We have recorded all essential sounds and loops from our original arrangements and mastered them seperately to puzzle them together again, in new constellations (remixes if you will) adding midi on top, blending tracks in same tones as well as throwing in loops and sounds.. We can change our structure as much as we want. So no two sets are exactly the same....
But its hard and it does take alot of practice and experience, so theres only one way, jump into it!!! One needs to start somewhere right..
We must not compare a band live set in genres like rock and so on with our electronic music. Theres many ways to perform and atleast one must make an effort into making something that is not just a presentation of an artists tracks. We have DJs to do that!!! Otherwise it must be called a DJ set and not a live.
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Aug 29, 2006 10:40
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full on .....
peace.....
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NoxLupi
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Posted : Aug 31, 2006 20:44
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On 2006-08-29 10:16, Banel wrote:
Massive respect to seb and others who makes an effort about playing.
Many good things has been said by Seb in this thread, and i hope many will discover it, cause it is things like this we need to hear. heres a guy with something many can learn from. A true inspiration. I am deeply impressed, and inspired, of what Son Kite have done over the past 10 years or so.
I like the statement that theres millions of ways/possibilities of playing.
when Rene and I decided to start a new project together (Behind Blue Eyes) in 2004 we immidietly agreed that a main goal for us was to always develop our live set and not fall into the "press play and pretend" sets. we risk making mistakes but thats how it is when you play, its a bigger challenge in many ways and heaps more fun. We dont play real instruments in our sets, but we have plenty to do with loops and effects both of us, with two laptops, two midi controllers, a DP2 effect module and a discumbobulator. And more to be added as we go along. We have recorded all essential sounds and loops from our original arrangements and mastered them seperately to puzzle them together again, in new constellations (remixes if you will) adding midi on top, blending tracks in same tones as well as throwing in loops and sounds.. We can change our structure as much as we want. So no two sets are exactly the same....
But its hard and it does take alot of practice and experience, so theres only one way, jump into it!!! One needs to start somewhere right..
We must not compare a band live set in genres like rock and so on with our electronic music. Theres many ways to perform and atleast one must make an effort into making something that is not just a presentation of an artists tracks. We have DJs to do that!!! Otherwise it must be called a DJ set and not a live.
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AMEN! i hope things will be heading this direction!
Slipped in my sleep: "Back From Beyond" Iono Music.
Smurf way of life: TBA 2006
ignorance: TBA 2006
TimeDrained liveset booking: timedrained@gmail.com
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