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So many bad DJ's..

Krell
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Posted : Jun 20, 2005 21:55
Quote Clown

"bad dj's = offbeats, badly timed mixes, real short badly EQ'd mixes, a dj set built of only fade mixing (if i want to just listen to the music i can do it in my car or at my house. We are at a show people, a SHOW.. you have to SHOW something, not just play stuff.. hehe..)"

I dont think short mixes means its bad mixing, depends on the sound, if it fits and sounds good + it works then its great.

Of course, if mixes are really short, because the DJ cannot handle longer mixes (such as I think is the case with goa gil) its bad.

But sometimes a mix thats basicly below 1 second, or almost instant can sound pretty good at the end of a track - For instance, when the groove ends in one tracks you slam in the groove from the next track

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clown
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 01:55
Krell: True, you make a good point there.. but 1:30 hours of that same stlye of mixing in my eye's is bad.. hehe.. imagine 12 hours non-stop gil style.. lol..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 02:12
Slightly off topic question... Do they make pitchable dat players?           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
clown
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 02:47
probably not.. but im sure you can hook up a dat file and transfer the files onto a computer.. then, burn them to CD..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 02:49
yeah... but then you would have to reencode the files to 16bit 44.1 whereas DAT files hold 48 khz. For many, that wouldn't make too much of a difference, but there are those that just like the way the DAT sounds....           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
clown
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 02:53
are you shitting me or what?? .WAV isn't good enough anymore?? hehehe           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 02:59
wav. is fine but some people, especially one that uses DATs all the time prefer the frequency range that DATs offer over cds. If they made pitchable DAT players, then at least one of the arguments that have been made might be quelled...           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Pavel
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 06:30
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On 2005-06-21 02:12, mubali wrote:
Slightly off topic question... Do they make pitchable dat players?




When i was at my army training and was studying how to fix electronic circuits a very wise tutor told me that 50% of succeeding in repair works is chosing the right tool for the work. If Goa Gil can't do something with tool A than perhaps he should change it for another one. Afterall this is his profession, and he is supposed to be a professional and do his job well. If he'd wanted to play from CDJs i don't think he would have problems at all. Greater DJ's than him, like Danny Tenaglia for instance even bother to slightly remix and change the tracks they recieve before playing them. If you are a DJ that makes that kind of a money that he does i think he really should try to make it right.
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mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 07:20
Ok... now let's change the focus of this thread, name 5 really solid well known psytrance djs and why they are as good as they are.... I'll start with 3 that I have seen...

Dimitry Nakov - Excellent technical skills, I might not always like what he plays, but he does it rather well.

Joti Sidhu - This dude is one of the best djs I have ever seen, good sense of flow each time I have seen him, andd occasionally does crossfader tricks too!

CPU - Have to mention one old local hero... Dr Sam sets have been known to liquify the brain during twilight hours. Good technical skills and a knack for crafting sets that sound like one giant song...           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
EYB
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 07:55
Goa Gil with his great track selection and perfect mixes.            Signature
s0ft
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 08:23
you cant forget Allen from Gaian Mind. The guy has the full package, in my opinion. he can pick the tracks, seamlessly mix them, and tell a story like no other dj around. the guy is a machine!           The IsraTrance MySpace Group:
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 08:54
huh, ok.. i thought i heard him spin at last year's GM, early Sat. night. Great track selection but shoes in a dryer all the way. I was under the impression that was Allen.. my bad..
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You Can Fly
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 18:20
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On 2005-06-14 18:09, offthenutboom wrote:
Mixing psy trance is a bitch. You have to have perfect timing...



hehe, sorry, but IMO the psytrance is very simple to mix, if you compare it with other styles (At least to do a good beatmatch)
if u have 145 bpm... then u have more possibility to look the mistake... and the percentage of mistake is minor that if you have 125 bpm.
Also, 32 bits are late more in running in the line of time (measurement in seconds), for what (if the train is not solved) the inadequate mixing will last more time.

Returning to the topic: I believe that to many djs of psytrance is not interested in demonstrating that they have good skill, and seeing that exist goods intro/outro, they do not think of being perfected in this aspect.
i think that it's good for friendly parties... but in a festival or a commercial party... no way.
clown
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:10
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On 2005-06-21 18:20, You Can Fly wrote:

Returning to the topic: I believe that to many djs of psytrance is not interested in demonstrating that they have good skill, and seeing that exist goods intro/outro, they do not think of being perfected in this aspect.
i think that it's good for friendly parties... but in a festival or a commercial party... no way.



It might also be because most psy dj's spin for free at parties.. maybe they feel since they aren't getting paid, why put any extra effort in beatmatching.. i mean, unless the tracks you mix are all 8 minutes long, you might end up working up a sweat while your mixing.. hehehe..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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duodenumz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 23:36
"For one thing, let's take a gander at the music that we listen to. Just about every song has an intro and an outtro that is usually beatless or something to that effect. "

Hmm.... Uh.... Modern psy isn't really much different structurally than trance/UK hard house/certain techno. I've been playing lots of styles for 6+ years now, including hardcore, breaks, psy, and acid techno, and I mix my newer psy just like I mix my other music.

I layer mixes repeatedly to create recurring samples/melodies/basslines, and ride mixes for as long as they sound good.

I don't pay for parties to hear the music in the same form as at home using my CD player. I go to parties to hear unique live sets OR creatively mixed tunes that are given new life through the DJ's technique.

There are some exceptions, as some tunes have odd time changes and whatnot, but the vast majority of psy (including progressive) is easy as hell to mix for fairly long stretches.

Tunes also have a LOT of kick-less bars that can be cut into the mix, yet hardly any psy DJs do that.

For me, one really important ability is knowing when/how to drop the new bassline. You can't really layer two pumping basslines, so you need to get good at using kills or really quick knob twists to EQ things.

Anyway, I find it sad that almost NO psy DJs have impressed me over the years. I have to go to techno, hip-hop, breaks, or DnB to find inspiring mixing techniques.
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