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So many bad DJ's..
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jun 11, 2005 16:04
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think of it like this, there are SOO MANY soccer players, how many of them are realy good? but does it stop the bad ones from playing?
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phobium
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Posted : Jun 11, 2005 17:00
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On 2005-06-11 16:04, A.Rosengren wrote:
think of it like this, there are SOO MANY soccer players, how many of them are realy good? but does it stop the bad ones from playing?
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No, but it stops them from playing for big clubs.
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 11, 2005 18:03
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On 2005-06-11 17:00, phobium wrote:
No, but it stops them from playing for big clubs.
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Sadly we cant say that about some Dj's in this scene  |
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clown
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 00:05
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On 2005-06-11 18:03, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-06-11 17:00, phobium wrote:
No, but it stops them from playing for big clubs.
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Sadly we cant say that about some Dj's in this scene
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And that is exactly why i started this thread.. because there are sooooo many "popular" dj's who stink at what they do.. Yeah yeah, i guess fade mixing isn't the end of the world after all, even though IMO i find it dead boring on a dance floor having to start over all the time (okay, maybe with full-on its passes easyer, but imagine if someone is fading more minimal stuff, BORING).. but alot of dj's trainwreck like crazy (and i don't mean a little offbeat for 8/32's of a beat, i mean, total trainwrecking inconherency that disturbes the vibe and kills the dance floor.
I have to be honest, when i first started out, i lifted my nose to Dj's who didn't even try to beatmatch or only held mixes for a 32 time.. Now i'm a little more passive on the subject because people have started to see me as "DR EGO TRIP" when i was only complaining because i felt people can do better...
@ Krell : Your theory about track selection is cool, but lets not forget that a good trackselection may vary from person to person.. one who finds a certain DJ's set to be well put together, there is always another to say it was "too full-on" or "too minimal" or whatever complaint.. but beatmatching is less personal.. However, i've heard people say that long mixes destroy the "story" of the songs they love... its a lose lose situation.. i guess, as a DJ, we can just hope to win the people's respect by other means than DJ'ing.. Hey, maybe if i throw the worlds largets festival, i'll get booked all over the world, regardless of my skills and flow...
Peace all.. thanks for your great replies..
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 00:18
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after a really long time one hell of an interesting topic and great replies...without any sort of arguments..thats gettin a lil rare on old isra...
all in all agree completely with krell...
i agree tho that sometimes with uneven beatmatching the party loses all the fun....u can hear the beats of 2 tracks playinsimultaneously which really fuks up.....
peacE
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 00:28
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I am a really really bad dj. No joke, i can't beatmatch at all. I just put tracks together at the intros. But it is ok, i don't like to much beatmatching, so goa gil is one of my fav. djs.
Killer track after killer track, thats the way to go 
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pr0fane
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 00:36
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On 2005-06-12 00:28, EYB wrote:
i don't like to much beatmatching, so goa gil is one of my fav. djs.
Killer track after killer track, thats the way to go
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It might come as a surprise to you, but it’s possible to both play “killer” tracks AND beatmix. Good technique doesn’t exclude good trackselection – and vice versa
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Krell
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 09:56
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@Clown
Quote Clown "Your theory about track selection is cool, but lets not forget that a good trackselection may vary from person to person.. one who finds a certain DJ's set to be well put together, there is always another to say it was "too full-on" or "too minimal" or whatever complaint.."
Thats a fact of life, you cannot please everybody - However, you are the DJ and you know best... Knowing best entitles being aware of that you cant please everybody.. Basicly not caring, and being true to your own style and the genre limitations of the event.
There is a very good chance, that if you do that, you will reach the majority of the people at the event, rather than the minority... and if it doesnt work out, its either the wrong event, or else you will just have to improve 
Basicly, no matter what, its not the djs problem, if people do not like a certain djs sets, organizers shouldnt book that dj - So, its up to the organizer to know who the hell they are booking AND the people coming to their event
Quote Clown "but beatmatching is less personal.. However, i've heard people say that long mixes destroy the "story" of the songs they love... its a lose lose situation.."
Yes, beatmixing is basic djing technique - Something techno DJs use with other tricks to really set themself apart from the mediocre DJs of their genre.
We psydjs cannot really do that, we need to rely more om track selection, flow and sadly, most of all a label or artist name to back us up (or else we will have a very hard time getting interesting bookings, no matter how good djs we are). Being a label DJ isnt even enough these days, you need to be an artist and offer organizers 2 for 1 deals. Ive even seen deals like 3 liveacts + dj sets from the same person(s).
Im not that much into creating music at the time, Im into DJing though - and Ive actually thought about starting to make music TO GET DJING GIGS! How lame is that ?
I wouldnt mind travelling ANYWHERE on this planet to get an interesting gig, FOR FREE, as long as my travel+stay+food expenses are paid in full. However, thats not even nearly good enough, since a lineup is about attracting people to the party, and not only making sure the musical aspect kicks ass.
Quote Clown "i guess, as a DJ, we can just hope to win the people's respect by other means than DJ'ing.. Hey, maybe if i throw the worlds largets festival, i'll get booked all over the world, regardless of my skills and flow..."
There you go You do that, and everybody will love you, kiss your ass and want to have your children
I think, for a psy dj, it will have to be enough to know that you are a good dj and a serious DJ - Too bad you dont get those gigs that might just push you that step closer to perfection (that is, high prestige gigs that put more performance pressure on the performer).
I think, no matter how you put it - A person ONLY Djing and spending all his time finding music, mixes and perfecting that skill will in general have more to offer than an artist+dj who will have to split his time between creating music and djing music.
This I find to be true especially when it comes to track selection and artists getting booked a lot. They often go for the easy crowd pleasers, cheesy full on stuff like Skazi and so forth. They mix it up very well, but their track selection is like something that came out of a baboons ass last month.
That being subjective to individual tastes of course, let say they might as well have been playing some Tiesto then
However, I think it is good to both create music and DJ - but somewhere you will have to put your emphasis. Also, when things become "work" it for some people at least, becomes a problem to stay passionate about it.
Anyway, about people saying this and that about how to dj, and what does what for them - Let them do the Djing and show what they are made of then.
As a DJ, when you go on stage, we will just assume you know whats best - Also, the dancefloor is where the DJ gets his realtime feedback.
I think its GREAT to listen to peoples advice and opinions + Im very happy every time someone shows interest in the craft of djing.
The more interest people have in it, the more knowledgeable people become, and the more demanding they will be - which will play into the better djs favour.
Still a dj cannot please everybody, if he does, he gets a very incoherent set (playing tracks other people want, mixing them like they want, setting the volume like they want) - Then he is actually nothing but a djing whore / organic jukebox.
Besides, we have a responsibility to ourselves and the audience who actually want to hear a "krell" or "clown" set, not to let some 15 year old etard decide how the nights djing should be executed
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huda-g
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 10:43
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well... very intresting topic indeed.
in my point of view on this subject i think that a good dj is not only abaut beat maching or treck selection it is about a complex of things wich a dj must have and wich maks the difrent between a wona be dj,good dj and unforgetebole one ! and yes mr clown u are righat thare are alot of bad djs but not only for the reason of leck of beat matching . |
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Dj Chris Planet
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 13:31
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I think its is both beat matching and music that makes a good dj. I love to beat match music, although with psy-trance i feel its best to do short mixes due to the nature of the music but i always keep that beat going so the dancefloor keeps pumping. I was originally a vinyl dj doing early rave and D&B stuff so mixing was such an important thing to do and you would have been laughed at if you could not mix. 
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Madpup
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 20:02
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Interesting Topic.
One thing I have to add. Take a dj who does not beatmatch or hardly ever does, but has a great track selection and a good flow of tunes. Then take a dj who can do all those things, but is very good technically also. From what I have seen, the dj that is good technically will have a much better response on the dancefloor every single time. |
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 00:38
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Everybody is talkin abt Beatmatching, with their opinion on fullon, progg etc..
What abt DnB and Dub? What about chill stuff ??
Is it easier to mix chilled stuff.. no beats pretty much.. and if so very simple one's..
What about DnB .. havent really been for many parties where i have noticed the mixin skills.. but sounds pretty tough if i think abt it...
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Madpup
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 01:03
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With regards to mixing DnB, a little tough to get used to at first, its done easier by listening to the snares rather than the kick drum. I found that once you get used to that DnB is actually easier to mix than more 4 by 4 stuff. |
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s0ft
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 20:32
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clown
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