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Shpongle - Nothing Lasts... But Nothing Is Lost
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rumpelnielzchen
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 02:11
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too all the people who talking about what is psychedelic and whats not. please give me a definiton of psychedelic. i read often on isratrance "psychedelic" in connection with a special kind of tunes in the music. the same with "emotions" in connection to melodys.
i think some twisted and wild tunes and voices etc. are not the only characteristic for psychedelic music, sure often it works psychedelic but for example a good rythm can do it as well. and often i have more emotions when i hear music wihtout any melodys. i hear a lot of different music, classical psychedelic music like pink floyd, and different styles of electronic music. and i would say i have heard a lot of techno minimal/techno and other electronic and not electronic music which works more psychedelic to me than some music which is distributed in the electronic music szene under the label "psy" or "psytrance". important is what the music releases in you.
i wouldn´t say that one part of a track is psychedelic and the other isn´t. particularly the new shpongle album is psychedelic in the whole for me. there are many ways to create psychedelic music. and many ways to be psychedelic.
the older shpongle albums are much more easy to listen for me and it was possible to hear some tracks as a whole for its own. on the new shpongle album are no hits like divine moments of truth (which is my overall favorite track since some years) but i like this album very much too and it isn´t less psycedelic than the other albums for me.
i hope i expressed me clearly and the google translation (from german into english) for some words worked correct  |
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Dibu-Tonic
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 05:30
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Well I'm not trying to say if this album is psychedelic or not. cause right now i don't have either a clue of what psychedelic trance is because of the new "artists" but I remember Hallucinogen for instance, his music makes me imagine places, people, travel in my waken dreams. Same happens with the first two albums of shpongle, but with this one I can't do those things, because it's really fast, full of sounds that only distract me. There are tracks that have the right sounds, effects and in the right place, the right volume and the result of all those things is that you can start a trance state with good experiences. The result is a nice, peaceful track.
OK now I have my idea. I accept is not a bad album, but it's totally different.
While in the first two albums you used to use the music as an instrument for travelling in your imagination, in the third for me is an album to figure out how he did those sounds, if you hear a water effect for expample, you try of imagine how he did that instead of make your own trip (without involving drugs).
There it is, that's the reason why I didn't like it, but that's my opinion and I'm only exposing my ideas, I'm not saying that it'll be the same for everyone. For those ones who like shpongle you should buy it and make your own opinion.
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bluespectralmonkey
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Hippie
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 08:22
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psychedelic: having a wide vision, mind manifesting, mind expanding/expanding the mind's awareness...
hmm.... got it?
my personal experience... i can say for "Outer Shpongolia" and "Schnitzl'd In The Negev" are the most psychedelic tracks on this album...
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Riton
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 09:31
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I really liked it, but let's be honest, the debate would be significantly different if it wasn't for the fact that this is a SHPONGLE release. I sense the fanboyism is strong in some of you 
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aje
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Joti.
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 10:10
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I don't do drugs so how can this music be psychedelic to me? all i know is that every single time i listen to this album it cheers me up, I feel ecstatic... For some inexplicable reason this release made a huge impact on me (even though it has a horrible sleeve design) ... I LOVE IT
ofcourse this isn't easy listening , some parts are pretty chaotic but I juts adore those intens moments (and I never EVER listen to full-on )
the latino american influences are just spectacular, warm and lush...
this is a revolution in music to me.
I'm planning to order a few copies to hand over to my friends as a gift... just for fun.  |
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Joti.
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 10:20
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fanboyism. and what about the girls? I can hear them screaming and see them shaking already
I know it sounds exaggerated when some people try to share their thoughts about music, talking about music has always been tricky, it's like dancing on architecture...
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brij
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 16:29
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This isn't an album like any other I have. As a chillout DJ I was hoping for a few outstanding tracks, like previous Sphongle, to put into my mixes. However, when the cd landed on my doormat last week there was only one thing to do. I rolled a joint, got my sennheisers and my cd walkman and went into my back garden. Lay down on the freshly laid turf, grabbed my lighter and closed my eyes. An hour later I opened my eyes. It wasn't a chillout album, it wasn't a trance album, and it certainly isn't easy listening.......It is a fantastic hour long psychedelic experience.
You can break it down into tracks, but really there is no point imo
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brujo6
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 17:33
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On 2005-06-02 00:50, Dibu-Tonic wrote:
We're comparing because the first 2 albums were full of emotions, melodic sounds, mystical twisted effects. But now it's over, we expected so much to get a disc to listen it without taking drugs and still getting the sensation of real peace, bla bla...
I said grotesc because it seems like you were on a market full of people hearing cheap samba or I don't know.
Taking about artistic things it's impossible to get an objective opinion cause it's all about feelings, sensations, bla bla.
So much sounds on a track get me dizzy, it's not armonic, doesn't fit on tracks perfectly.
The thing is that I believe that all of you are Shpongle fans (as I used to be till now) and you can't deal with the truth. It's over, in my opinion Simon Posford just finished with his career as an artist. It happens all the time, but i think that he made the worst good-bye album. It's not special and I felt sad cause he was (with other artists) the reason why I kept listening to PSychedelic trance and ambient so much time, cause he make me get in altered states of consciousness withouth taking drugs.... But anyway my conclusion is that you've better keep with the first two albums and keep a good image of Simon Posford as an artist.
I know that there will be 100 posts saying that I'm a jackass and that I don't know anything about psychedic/ambient but that's what I felt when I hear the disc. and I know that you felt the same, but you don't want to admit it. Cause it's called reality, this album has nothing of the first two, no emotions, no armony, no melodic sounds, no nothing
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Quite some post.
I have no problem with the album not being so psychedelic, but it's just not a good album that's all.
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Hippie
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 17:51
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On 2005-06-02 16:29, brij wrote:
This isn't an album like any other I have. As a chillout DJ I was hoping for a few outstanding tracks, like previous Sphongle, to put into my mixes. However, when the cd landed on my doormat last week there was only one thing to do. I rolled a joint, got my sennheisers and my cd walkman and went into my back garden. Lay down on the freshly laid turf, grabbed my lighter and closed my eyes. An hour later I opened my eyes. It wasn't a chillout album, it wasn't a trance album, and it certainly isn't easy listening.......It is a fantastic hour long psychedelic experience.
You can break it down into tracks, but really there is no point imo
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hehh, exactly the same way i listen to Shpongle... and i say it is a trance, but there's too much of everything that it sounds a bit confusing.. my psychedelic experiences [aka trips] with Shpongle's previous albums are much clearler, i feel all the time cheered up and enchanted.. when i say "clearler" i mean when i can have a clear vision while listen to a track...
but still i say this album is great... it is missing some total and utter cosmic tunes that take you to total and utter cosmic places, still i can find them... like i said, in "Outer Shpongolia" and "Schnitzl'd In The Negev".... also, there are some undiscovered places i need to find 
and yeah, you can have psychedelic experience without taking drugs:
Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. When you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eyes permanently glued to the microscope; he goes away and works on what he has seen
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 18:21
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On 2005-06-02 09:31, Riton wrote:
I sense the fanboyism is strong in some of you
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Someone posted a message up on Psyforum a few days back saying something similar....and my response is that I think you are patronising people by assuming the only reason they 'like' the album is because they are established Shpongle fans or merely because it's Posford at the helm.
Have a look around! Psyheads are usually very particular about what they listen to and are not afraid to bitch aout something they don't enjoy or, alternately, praise something as killlllerrrrrr when they do!
I would describe myself as a Shpongle fan for sure, but if this album hadn't tickled my fancy then I wouldn't just say "yeah man, it's amazing" for the sheer hell of it. Give me a break! Yes, I ordered Shpongle #3 based on my love for the first two albums, but I like it because it sounds good to my ears. Yes, I had high hopes and was expecting it to be good....but you know I was expecting The Phantom Menace to be good after 20 years of loving the original Star Wars trilogy - and I really, really hated it....
Whoever said "I was a Shpongle fan til now" - oh purlease!!!
I just think of all the pleasurable, geeky hours spent watching The Empire Strikes Back that I would have missed if after Phantom I'd spat my dummy, stamped my feet and said "oh right, fine then fuck it...."
Even if you don't like Nothing Lasts, why does that have to take away from your enjoyment of Shpongled or Inexpressible? Seems a bit daft to me.
Tastes change, people move on, artists progress....
Fair enough. You didn't like it Dibu-Tonic. But do you really think Simon's career is over? Haway lad. I think not.
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Dibu-Tonic
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 21:26
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Well maybe it isn't over, but as far as I can say I've listened better ambient albums. Maybe the right sentence is: Simon Posford is not the best in his style anymore as he used to be (ambient). I can't say in the psychedelic trance scene cause I haven't heard new releases from him.
But anyway, as you said floathippyflower I won't stop listening to the first albums cause those are expectacular.
- Tastes change, people move on, artists progress, your totally right, maybe that's the reason why I can't say it's a great album
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Chlamydia Jones
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 21:47
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hype album - ppl will say its good because its shpongle, no matter what.
with u on this one, Dibu-Tonic.
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