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jon
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 19:25
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i agree with Zombie Cocktail.... it is true that the mainstream of PsyTrance has lost the Psy... people like GMS and Alien project are writing strong dancefloor killers, but without the twisted edge.
However, there is _plenty_ of psychedelic music released.... and inovative sounds. It's just remained more underground. Artists like Digital Talk and Weirdo Beardo.... and in another direction the Significant Elf Proclivity comp.... just to show who Im thinking about....
I agree it's a different take on psychedelia. 'We create our own happiness' is one of my favourite albums of any genre of all time. It is very moving music. But it is music that makes me smile, whereas more dark psychedelic stuff like I mentioned above makes me screw my face up as I find it difficult to comprehend what I am hearing (embarrassing on public transport). Both are interesting and psychedelic forms of music.
Anyway my view is: the mainstream of what is called psytrance has lost a lot of psychedelic elements (extreme case = Ticon - Play that dirty piano). But it is still possible to be challenged by new psychedelic music if you avoid these artists.
I think there will always be a place for psychedelic music... whether it's early pink floyd or simon posford or someone in the future.... if mainstream 'psytrance' stops being psychedelic then a gap will open which will be filled by new artists. In fact that is happening right now. |
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Zombi
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 19:29
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lupis in fabula, magus etc - i like all this funky psychedelic tunes.. just open your eyes..
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yossi
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 19:51
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or maybe the psychedelic era is over...
maybe we dont need it anymore.
it left his mark all over, left all the music that is influenced by it.
all was done.
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jon
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 19:58
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> maybe the psychedelic era is over
I dont think so. I think that for a particular person (artist or listener) this may be the case, but I think there will always be new people who are interested in creating / enjoying psychedelic music. Like I said before: it's been the case for 40 years at least, in one form or another.
BTW : I like this thread... I have been noticing the new 'clubby/housy' style in progressive trance myself recently..... personally I prefer a darker style.... |
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tom anteater
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 21:43
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maybe the psychedelic era is over?
i'm sorry, its never been that big! i mean you can't compare it even to the popularity of eg the jazz scene at its peak, and jazz is still a genre of music with people writing new stuff etc; sure there aren't so many people making music in the style of ornette coleman but jazz still rumbles along, and so will the psy scene as an underground imo
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tom anteater
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 21:45
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and jon.. what is this mainstream of which you speak that includes ticon? this is not mainstream of the psy scene as far as i am concerned.. its not gms or tip after all...
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 22:44
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i think Jon's right, psychedelia isn't something that starts or ends one day... everyone is aware of psychedelic things, some people like them and others find them frightening, or just don't like em...
if you really like psy, you'll come up for the good goa nowadays and not give up but party on and do whatever you can to have fun and save the scene...
as basilisk said: Don't give up hope, Acid Troopers!! 
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Lyri
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Posted : Nov 12, 2002 23:51
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Today is yesterday's tomorrow which we were so afraid of.
What we have is now, and nothing else.
We can glance at the past and keep whining about it -- but it will give us nothing.
Time's changing, people change.
We move on, that's how life is.
and the trance scene is going through some sort of a process, with some sort of procedures, and all lead to a new being.
Nostalgia is meant to be nostalgia,
it's there for us to recall it on its best.
everything changes.
u gotta accept that.
it'll be aight.
cheers.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 00:35
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I like today's music - but it just can't replace the more oldschool styles... Whereas old Tim Schuldt tracks offer as much dancefloor power (or even more) than GMS do nowadays, but has an entire dimensions in his music that GMS don't even try to have. It's just kind of sad that music has become so much less ambitious nowadays. It's easier to be perfect in simple things than to be good at the hard ones I guess.
And nowadays, I listen to the Twisted Records crew, and these guys DO offer a lot of that psychedelia and energy I miss so much. Shiva Chandra is exploring deep and grinding psychedelia that no one reached before him, Electric Universe shows that you can combine the old freedom in the sound with modern structures and grooves, Loopus in Fabula has an excellent album (as well as his AMAZING set a couple of weeks ago) and one of the deepest understandings in groove... I'm not saying that there's no good music today.
I'm saying that psychedelic music today is something that most people tend to ignore. Listeners - well, that's to be expected, psychedelia has always been something not everyone can connect to. DJs, well, they want to make people dance, not to do give a special journey through sounds (something I already had the chance to bitch about in the I Am Not the Crowd article I wrote a while ago  ). Labels want to sell.
The ideology is gone from the music, and it's dying all around it.
That's why I say psytrance is not underground anymore.
It's not something that can be changed I guess, the same thing happened to DnB, Techno, House and most of the other electronic music forms. Just as someone who remembers a special time when everyone thought "psytrance will be different... we have something special going on here", this realization hurts me. I'm not saying music nowadays is BAD. I didn't say that even ONCE. I don't think so - I still listen to contemporary music, love it, dance it and buy it. I've already accepted the change in the music a year and a half ago. But what I'm surprised is that people don't go around looking for something better - the one quality that kept psytrance moving forward and changing in an exponential rate only a while back... at least not most artists.
... I think I'll keep it at that.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 00:47
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today i read the following in a book,
it helped me a lot, me who was thinking much about styles and processes with psy last time.
im not the only one. people are asking here about progressive/fullon/house/tech/newstyle/artists are changing and bla.. with different tastes and so on...so this blowed out anything away comparing to those questions in my head. maybe im not the only one  replace "mozart" and "haydn" with "xdream" and "shimmy" with "haldolium" for example...
[...]He smiled at me and gave me the answer:
"Well, You have to see there is no reason for me to talk about music. I never talked about music.
What should I answer on your very wise and well choosed words? You have pointed out the truce. But you have to see that I am a musician, not a thinker. And I do not think that the truce has anything to say in the world of music. It is not important for the music if some discussion is pointing out the truce of it or not, or if the people have studied with different tastes."
"Ok, but whats the essence of it all?"
"The essence is to make music. To make music as as good and intensive as it is possible. If I have all notes of mozart or Haydn in my head and say the most wisest words about this, no one will be helped of it.
But if I take my piano and play a sweet Shimmy - may it good or not - the people will smile and it will taking the blood into their legs. Take a look into the ballroom. Look how the faces start to smile and the eyes start to twinkle when the music is played after a break again.
This is music!"[...]
written by hermann hesse
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Gandu
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 04:48
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Kaz, I couldn't agree with you more:)
I felt the same thing when I was listening to Doof - "Lets Turn On" a few dayz ago. This album reminded me just how much I missed the "old" sound...and the only new CD that i can think of which still has the essense of that sound is Cosmosis - Contact. If only more people would go in that direction.
"Om is bow, the arrow is soul,
Brahma is the arrow's goal,
It must be struck unswervingly."
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Bug
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 09:59
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what about Ololiuqui ?? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 13, 2002 19:45
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hmmz..
errr..
gaaash..
I go with kaz of course on almost every word 
few words to those ones who say times are changing: What exactly is changing ? PPl's mindz? Artists are making another music or is it labels who demand another music from the artists? or maybe it's the crowd who is demanding another style?
I will make melodic trance with goa twists no matter if ppl will say: "no man, it ain't gonna flow these days, ppl prefer hard beats or full on power"
What I hope will happen, is a 'new' goa underground stream, which will come from countries where trance is not so known like: Romania, USA, Canada and others.
I think they got some potential to rise on with their own labels and own crowd - which will develop in time. Of course it won't be the same, but sure will give goosepumps - which is what I need in music.
In the past on each album I could get goosepumps from at least 2 tracks - which were filled with emotion and smart melodies.
Today it just doesn't happen. Actually the last track that did it for me was Nuclear Ramjet - Brightness -- which is awesome and also Canadian
I know times are changing and I will just keep hoping - and please don't tell me I'm hoping for nothing because it doesn't matter for me.
Philip
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uvego
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Posted : Nov 14, 2002 01:43
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If we talk about music,todey music is much better then sometimes use to be.This is normal becouse music industry is geting bigger and bigger for every day.New names,new sounds...I cant agree with you caz that sometimes we have better music or there is no more psyhodelic or underground. First,music cant be underground.Only the partys can be underground.Bucouse every producer who makes music,he make music not only for his personal satisfaction,he want all world to hert his trak and all world to know who stands behind that.Music is underground only when is unrealised.If you make music and if you sold over 5000 copies only in Japan,what is here underground?
But if we talk about partys,yes sometimes they were much better than today.(becouse of entusiastic moovemants that we have sometimes).Now you pass 5 good festivals a 100 partys and yes, you saw everithing and you know everithing.What can suprised you? Only new name and new sound...Think about what Astrix made last year...
If i look in my start,back in 96,i start with Juno Reactor,Electric Universe and some blueroom compitations.First good party with James Monroe and Lory(Greece)-big respect.(Acid Psyhodelic):)
I never loved goa-trance music.Maybe a little in the begining.A loved isra full sound at start,than i countinuade with german deep sounds and british tehno-trance.I spent 3 years in progressive film.Nowaday i like full-melodic again...Everithing is diferent,everithing is changed,but i am shure,i love trance music in every stile in every day more and more.
KEEP ON TRANCING hehe
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ultra violet ego
respect to all
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Nov 24, 2002 08:32
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ppl u make me sick
PSYTRANCE DIDNT DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND IT WONT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as u said kaz labels begon to release music as competition between themselfs
and sure progressive/minimal/techtrance r wide genre's that u can go better and better
Psytrance is not like that
Psytrance tracks u remmember for years coze it have unique sounds,unique beats and unique stories to tell
on the other hand progressive/minimal/techtrance and all looping music sound same
play u'r favorite auricular album
and notice how all the tracks have something same
man i'm glad that u understood atlast the fake of the music
ye as u said this music goes out of underground
and ye all parties with this kind of music looks like clubs outdoors and music begin to sound more and more clubby (i can biaching about that all day if u want)
Man Underground cant die
cose ppl that messing with it dont care about money or fame
they do it for music and for ppl that like this music
and this was same when it all started
and this is same now
and thats why Hallucinogen wont write another track like Gamma Goblins 2 or Angelic Fractals
anyway i hope this treat wont be deleted by DEAR moderators
boom
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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