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jizy
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Posted : Apr 12, 2014 17:18
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On 2014-04-12 05:17, Xsze wrote:
@Faxi
Respect 
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Padmapani
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Posted : Apr 13, 2014 03:47
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On 2014-04-12 04:30, faxinadu wrote:
it comes down to simply this -
when i smoked bongs with everyone, sucked everyones cock and talked about peace and love and wore sunshine t-shirts, i got gigs
when i stopped being a scenster and went into deep isolation of making music i stopped getting gigs. the funny thing is the music then sucked compared to the music now
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this certainly explains the quality of music we get to hear at parties and festivals (and why i never get to see the acts i want to see) |
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 17:31
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On 2014-04-12 01:35, faxinadu wrote:
we have 2.5k, all legit and we didn't get a decent gig since 2011
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and by decent gig, you mean festival gig? international well paid gigs?
more and more we see the same group of artists, playing all the festivals and best gigs.
I guess that if artists want to get a certain kind of gig, they will have to make music that pleases people.
a good thing would be to find a way to keep being truthful, be able to make music that pleases people, without following the poor commercial psy patterns....
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On 2014-04-12 04:30, faxinadu wrote:
it comes down to simply this -
when i smoked bongs with everyone, sucked everyones cock and talked about peace and love and wore sunshine t-shirts, i got gigs
when i stopped being a scenster and went into deep isolation of making music i stopped getting gigs. the funny thing is the music then sucked compared to the music now
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that is called being an longterm artist, being a musician way after the initial rave and djing excitement stage.
when you focus on making music, you'll come up with something new, that will allow to get gigs again. 
only famous acts are touring all the time. |
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wirakocha
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 20:16
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 20:46
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On 2014-04-14 17:31, splikz wrote:
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On 2014-04-12 01:35, faxinadu wrote:
we have 2.5k, all legit and we didn't get a decent gig since 2011
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and by decent gig, you mean festival gig? international well paid gigs?
more and more we see the same group of artists, playing all the festivals and best gigs.
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lets put it this way - since the last time we played a set ANYWHERE we released:
4 full length albums
3 eps
more than a dozen compilation tracks
in all i think on 10 labels. ranging from ambient to psychedelic techno to trance.
2500 followers on SC
100k plays on YT
100k plays on SC
as well as free samplepacks, payed
samplepacks, video tutorials and whatever.
we make music everyday, show up for "work" everyday and this is pretty much all our life.
the times we were on a lineup since 2011 ended up:
1 - got taken off the decks after one track because some dj said he was promised he could play (wtf?)
2 - got the the party saw ten people total there, got back in the car went home.
3 - was taken off the deck after a few tracks because we didn't play darkpsy (again wtf, we don't make darkpsy for many years and everyone knows that)
4 - the organizer of another event called concerned because he "heard we played house" and he was expecting darkpsy too, tried to get us to play darkpsy. told him in that case take us off the lineup and leave us alone.
5 - party was busted by cops before we got to play.
yap, awesome scene that rewards hard work, individuality and truth
honestly i should be frustrated as fuck, but chose not to be love what we're doing and believe in our path. new music in the works! 
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back |
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:06
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our scene has it's amount of shady events and unprofessional promoters.
faxinadu, you deserve better than that. what else can I say! 
look at your work. look at your studio. look how much you invested.
like many people in the scene worldwide, and even in this forum. who are not getting as much as they deserve.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:09
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jizy
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:28
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Free parties are much better abroad.. man i hate England
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:28
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psytrance is one of those scenes that has all kinds of events. from the very good to the very bad.
a lot of the psy scene works with very low budgets.
comparing with other dance genres, shouldn't psytrance promoters, specially the smaller ones, push the envelope a little more. to bring more quality, in order to build a better scene???
by attending to house events, and techno, I realize how outcast psytrance scene is. 
sometimes I wonder how much psy and it's subgenres may be... or may not be a dead-end.
people have to think if the music they make can give them what they truly want, as artists.
when you play:
do you like the parties you play?
do you think that you and your music deserve more?
do you want to play in better conditions?
do you think you should receive more?
are you frequently disappointed with the promoters?
people should not be ashamed to admit things.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:33
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On 2014-04-14 21:28, splikz wrote:
when you play:
do you like the parties you play?
do you think that you and your music deserve more?
do you want to play in better conditions?
do you think you should receive more?
are you frequently disappointed with the promoters?
people should not be ashamed to admit things.
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that is why personally for us there is no more accepting bullshit from people. we have a pdf with booking charges and conditions, when someone asks we send it and he can book us or not. there is no cocksucking and no playing for free and no plz give us a chance and any of that. if its not what and how we want it, rather stay home have some wine and sex and make some music
i'm 31 now, no time for bs and totally done being disrespected, so not even gonna give it a chance to happen
but again, to each his own. you can make fullon or prog or whatever is the killargh at the time and be friendly and hang around parties and mingle and you will get at least some local shows.
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back |
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:40
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but not everyone can afford to refuse to play. or being too picky on gigs.
there's a realistic quality standard that everyone should set for themselves, and they should not go bellow that.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:44
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well, what do you mean "afford"? we here can't afford, music has made me broke and always in some debt or another. we can't afford.
the realistic quality standard for us is decent accomodation, travel expenses and a few hundred euro. i don't think it can get any lower than that.
i think this is pretty much the standard for most non-skazi acts.
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back |
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 21:45
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On 2014-04-14 21:44, faxinadu wrote:
i think this is pretty much the standard for most non-skazi acts.
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On 2014-04-14 20:46, faxinadu wrote:
2 - got the the party saw ten people total there, got back in the car went home.
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I was talking about these kind of situations...
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On 2014-04-14 20:46, faxinadu wrote:
3 - was taken off the deck after a few tracks because we didn't play darkpsy (again wtf, we don't make darkpsy for many years and everyone knows that)
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when producers take another path on production, they should pick another alias.
producers should update all information, specially online.
if producers have two or more music projects, create separate profiles.
if promoters find an outdated darpsy set form 10 years ago, and nothing else...
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 22:04
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well, again speaking stricly about us here, i see no reason to change names for every album. this is our project and we tell stories. if all a promoter finds is a set from 10 years ago, tbh, that is totally both disrespectful to the act and to himself. all he is is a click away from soundcloud or beatport or whatever to see who he is booking and what they are doing now, or better yet - ask!
its totally acceptable if a promoter lets you know what kind of event and what kind of music the crowd expects there, personally would prefer it so we know what kind of story to tell to that crowd, but yeah, base it on reality. if someone approaches us for a booking i expect he knows what we make (in our case various psychedelic stories) or what his other acts make and what kind of spectrum he can expect for his party. why book an act if you don't even bother to follow their path?
The Way Back
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splikz
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Posted : Apr 14, 2014 22:15
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I'm assuming that you are talking about your project Elmooth.
at first look, it looks like a dark psy project. some info in your website. a myspace link.
the promoters you know, already know the change. but they promoters who don't know you at all... they will get the wrong idea.
triplag! is what stands out more.
of course you can provide info to promoters of you and your other projects.
but I think it's good to have a clear and defined online profiles for both.
it takes a couple days to create and update profiles.
I guess there's no need to pay for two pro accounts on soundcloud. put the best 10 tracks in a free account.
and upload a showcase mix for each album/ep to mixcloud.
embed the players with cover art in the info page.
believe me, most promotors are not in the mood to download stuff and unzip.
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