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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 01:05
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Well even though we may be loosing old shamanic practices with the modern world, at the same time we might be getting closer to opening the door to this paranormal realm, I mean don’t you think science has to bump with it eventually? Even though we are building space rockets and super computers we hardly know anything about the human mind, like we don’t even know what dreams really mean. So as science starts going in there, it might discover something that could get humanity spinning in the metaphysical realm. Also we have people like Terrence Mkenna who give us a fresh perspective on the subject and the internet with forums like entheogen.com where people can exchange ideas like never before. So maybe we are getting somewhere, who knows maybe in the year 2012 some cosmic vortex opens as enough people start becoming more open minded about these things.
You know I think hallucinogens can open your eyes, but after its up to you to act upon what you learned. And you can also get confused in the trip, so then maybe afterwards its a good idea to think about what really makes sense or not. And this may take a long time to do, it can be a process just like getting over a relationship. You may need to process and put in context many ideas, and taking more hallucinogens at this point may just be for the worse. Having become more aware of your thoughts may also lead you to see that you don’t like all that goes on in your mind. And you need to get everything clean and tidy in there, get rid of all the clutter and change what you don’t want. Doing this can be so rewarding you may even forget about the need for mind expanding drugs. The mere process of reorganizing your own thinking is pretty mind expanding already.
Hey Lalala, I am Mexican and grew up in Mexico City. What about you? You don’t have a flag
PS yes nahuatl is what the Aztecs spoke, and there are about another 60 native languages in Mexico, many dying. Sad, but I guess the best language is the one of your soul.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 02:05
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Psycosmo -
sounds like youve got your head screwed on so im sure youll be fine.
I lived in pucallpa Peru for a number of years. my ex is born and bred. she reckons in th ewhole of Pucallpa she only knew of one genuine cuarrandero (out of 200,000 people !)
most of the people i know are Mestizo.
Then you got the evangelical thing going on, caused a lot of people to give up their traditions.
If youre interested in ayahuasca spanish is your best bet because its the only language that unifies most people. true lots dont but quechuas more the mountains, not really an ayahuasca zone. In the jungle theres Many different tribal languages, shapibo, cocama, etc but most people speak spanish. If you want to go way out it will cost, the less public transport the more expensive it gets.
where you from ?
aluxe :
are you mestizo ? youve got a lot of shamanistic traditions in your culture (mushrooms for example) . As i understand it the nahuas are also a people who were the aztecs and millions still speak the language ?
Im sure if you looked to your roots youd find a lot of interesting stuff .
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 02:34
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are you mestizo ? youve got a lot of shamanistic traditions in your culture (mushrooms for example). As i understand it the nahuas are also a people who were the aztecs and millions still speak the language ?
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Yeah the mushrooms are most famous in the state of Oaxaca, like in the town of Huautla de Jimenez where the famous mazatec wise woman, Maria Sabina lived.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_quote1.shtml
I've been there several times as well as to the north of Mexico in the desert to eat peyote. And there are some other plants that the indigenous people use as well.
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 02:40
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are you mestizo ? youve got a lot of shamanistic traditions in your culture (mushrooms for example). As i understand it the nahuas are also a people who were the aztecs and millions still speak the language ?
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I heard she wasnt so happy at all the european hippies turning up and eating mushrooms :
Yeah the mushrooms are most famous in the state of Oaxaca, like in the town of Huautla de Jimenez where the famous mazatec wise woman, Maria Sabina lived.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_quote1.shtml
I've been there several times as well as to the north of Mexico in the desert to eat peyote. And there are some other plants that the indigenous people use as well.
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Que bien amigo, cuidate, un dia me gustaria conoscer tu pais (=; y no estas tomando datura te vas enloquiar (=; Pero dime eres mestizo o blanco ? |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 03:27
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Does a shamans authenticity truly rest on their being pure indigena, rather than Mestizo? From what i have read there is a thriving tradition of Mestizo Ayahusaca shamanism in Peru, especially in the town of Iquitos (on the Amazon side of the Andes). I would be more worried about who goes to the curandero in question. If the locals trust them, I would be more likely to, if they only serve tourists, I would steer clear.
About evangelicism:
I know someone who was born deep in the Amazon to a family of Evangelical missionaries, and they told me something really interesting: That a lot of white evangelicals have gone to Ayahuasca ceremonies, even though most will not admit it. This person told me it was one of those things where people would inevitably deny that THEY would ever be involved in such activitities, but they could always tell you some gossip about their neighbor and how they resorted to seeing a shaman over some matter or another. So it seems that even amongst white Evangelicals there is some grudging belief in the power of the Ayahuasquero. Interesting, no?
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 04:35
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no it doesnt seem to matter in fact sometimes mestizo curranderos will cure natives.
i was in iquitos about 4 months ago. If you want to avoid touristy places I suggest you avoid it .If you do decide to go out there send me an email ands i can hook you up with some good peeps.
As for evangelicals I met very few white ones, but most natives/mestizos who converted seemed really down on their native culture and thought ayahuasca was of the devil. It does not seem to mix as well as catholicism. |
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 16:14
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Impressive reading here,
and deep respect and understandig of your words about psyhedelics Aluxe. I couldnt agree more.
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karkul
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 01:33
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MUSIK = LOVE = KEY
hi Shamans,
very nice reading and lots of good wisdoms in here last few days. Thanx. I'm from Slovakia, this tima still in USA on the ship. I was one of those lucky ones like Don lalala, who had a chance to go and experienced the amazon vibes. I was lucky and met a friends of friend like someone sad,- Czech painter Otto Placht- Pablo Amaringo, who actually help me to meet and stay 13days witha the native people from Yarinacocha lake - Shipibos. For the very short period of time - which is really not enough to describe fully the all magic of Ayahuasca, I had a really strong and positive lessons of Life, which I'm still projecting and keeping in my mind.If I would say it in a few fords...respect=nature=discipline(very pop word in here) 
By the way, my country and climite, aspecially the mountain sides,which I really love and miss at this time, are great for Mushrooms, which is one of the natural magic journey, what is still very mistical for me and friends, who enjoy the treks in the mountains and get what you deserve (from Nature or God). I think--take what you need!!! and take with respect what belongs to you. So I would say, we can't have everything -which is good, so better we live those medicines for those what belongs to...
lalala-I see you spend a lot of time deep there, you know what I mean. And what's your experience and opinion about all this expands back there now? and of course with the psy-trance...
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 05:12
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On 2006-01-22 01:33, karkul wrote:
MUSIK = LOVE = KEY
hi Shamans,
very nice reading and lots of good wisdoms in here last few days. Thanx. I'm from Slovakia, this tima still in USA on the ship. I was one of those lucky ones like Don lalala, who had a chance to go and experienced the amazon vibes. I was lucky and met a friends of friend like someone sad,- Czech painter Otto Placht- Pablo Amaringo, who actually help me to meet and stay 13days witha the native people from Yarinacocha lake - Shipibos. For the very short period of time - which is really not enough to describe fully the all magic of Ayahuasca, I had a really strong and positive lessons of Life, which I'm still projecting and keeping in my mind.If I would say it in a few fords...respect=nature=discipline(very pop word in here)
By the way, my country and climite, aspecially the mountain sides,which I really love and miss at this time, are great for Mushrooms, which is one of the natural magic journey, what is still very mistical for me and friends, who enjoy the treks in the mountains and get what you deserve (from Nature or God). I think--take what you need!!! and take with respect what belongs to you. So I would say, we can't have everything -which is good, so better we live those medicines for those what belongs to...
lalala-I see you spend a lot of time deep there, you know what I mean. And what's your experience and opinion about all this expands back there now? and of course with the psy-trance...
..dance like nobody's watching you..I like that one
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NO PHUCKING WAY !!!!! I know otto and I met Pablo !!! I did the soundtrack for Ottos exhibition in the Rudolfinium (impresse) in prague that finished a week ago MUCHO GUSTO AMIGO QUe RARO !!!!!!!
Do you know the bar in Yarina El tuyuyo jose and blanca ??? You know Karla ?
Worlds a small place !
You know Pucallpa is getting more and more industrial, and the forest is getting burnt and the people need to eat so they work in loogging, and coke is everywhere there but they are nice people, good people in that part of Peru, im very grateful to them for everything i learned there. Really generous and welcoming, come from the heart you know what i mean ? |
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karkul
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 22:48
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lalala- todo tranquilo, muchas gracias hermino , that's really nice. Yes I know Pucallpa a little, but spanish muy poco  , by what I missed a lot overthere, for sure. If you know spanish you can learn much more there and here, well, sometime we are lazy , but Pablo's friend helped me with the spanish, I stayed in small village -San Fransisco-on the bank of Yarinacocha, I missed that to get to know a local bars , maybe next time. I know Alberto+Alisa w.family, I stayed with them, and curandero Don Ermino,- beautiful peaople! All this places recomended to me Otto when we met in Prague few years ago, by the way,how is he doing? is he togoether with all family? So painting in Prauge as I see, so made a nice chill-ambient for him , I'm happy for that. Maybe one day we gonna meet on some festival . Well the situation in Pucallpa is NOW, what we can do. Just respect the Pachamama. Coke and people around that, they have thier own karma...everybody learning. I just think, that psy trance parties keeps us away of industrial and consume life (at least for few hours or days)by dancing and creating a positive conciousness all togoether-tribal vibe |
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Gopendragon
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I believe that shamanism in trance is more the way how to program our mind and make it prepared to face music ,the vibes and how to exchange energy on the dancefloor,I mean seperate the flow of energy and share that flow with the other dancers as much quiqkly and more safe and good we could do(art of dance),that means that we have to act all like trance masters.The more concious we are in each different action we do the more much things we realise and understand with clear mind.When we make a revelation in our conciousnes,usually our mind dont like it because the mind have used to thing and act with the ordinnary usual normal way ,the time that conciousnes is awakening is hard and the mind refuses to accept the new way of thinking,but that is natural when we have to explain the truths of psychedelic realms to the mind.
it is my choise to fight against my old self ,die and then make a personal sacrifice even the time I dance...it is my choise to be the same because I dont like the new true that comes from my inner...
Aluxe you have really impresed me with you inspiring posts and I am glad to see more new members interesting for the shamanic spirit in trance with such as nice words...
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 23:47
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lalala- todo tranquilo, muchas gracias hermino , that's really nice. Yes I know Pucallpa a little, but spanish muy poco , by what I missed a lot overthere, for sure. If you know spanish you can learn much more there and here, well, sometime we are lazy , but Pablo's friend helped me with the spanish, I stayed in small village -San Fransisco-on the bank of Yarinacocha, I missed that to get to know a local bars , maybe next time. I know Alberto+Alisa w.family, I stayed with them, and curandero Don Ermino,- beautiful peaople! All this places recomended to me Otto when we met in Prague few years ago, by the way,how is he doing? is he togoether with all family? So painting in Prauge as I see, so made a nice chill-ambient for him , I'm happy for that. Maybe one day we gonna meet on some festival . Well the situation in Pucallpa is NOW, what we can do. Just respect the Pachamama. Coke and people around that, they have thier own karma...everybody learning. I just think, that psy trance parties keeps us away of industrial and consume life (at least for few hours or days)by dancing and creating a positive conciousness all togoether-tribal vibe
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Hehe nice to hear from you. yeah Otto seems fine, busy as ever. So did you get to see the exhibition in Prague ? I dont know if you can post pictures in the forum but he dopes some pretty way out stuff !
It is ridiculous to see cubase and fruity loops as competitors. Although there are overlaps they are different programmes that are usful for differentthings . You know you can rewire fruity loops into cubase ? They are not competitors but work in tandem. |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 10:16
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Nice ideas and comments everybody, nice thread.
Near Mexico city a friend of mine showed us a place where to pick up the mushrooms from the moss in a little canyon. There were like 5 types of the good mushrooms, some of them you only needed one to get going. Well the first time I went we found a whole basket and then droppped by a friends house who had amazing gardens. She was with her raver friends on xtc, and some of her friends were not particularly the best vibes. Anyways, she let us in (5 of us) and we went straight to the garden and left the raver xtc crew on their own in a separate area. Well we had already began eating the shrooms while driving and were really tripping, but full on nice. And then my friend and I climbed a tree and he was like telling me, that you can jump from tree to tree, from mountain to mountain. And he was referring to the vibe while on mushrooms where you really feel you can jump from mountain to mountain. But there was still a little doubt in there, and the trick is there must be no doubt, then you can jump from mountain to mountain. Again its like the matrix concept.
Anyways, we just kept on eating shrooms that day, and I decided to kick it in with some XTC. So I walked over towards the raver XTC crew and as I approached them I noticed that suddenly I was all out of energy to a point where I could not even walk!!!! I had to sit down because I could not even stand up! Well I managed to buy the XTC and went back to the garden practically crawling. As I got away from the raver crew suddenly I could walk easily again and jump full of energy to the point where I decided to climb a huge tree to very top, I didn't know how to get down. But then like the elf in me just decided to go down and I almost felt the tree taking me down.
Well we kept on eating mushrooms, and I noticed something very odd: they would kick in instantly, by instantly I mean as I would bite the stem of the shroom I could feel something in the mushroom connecting directly instantly with my enhanced mental state, right away. It was very strange as its supposed to take a while (30 min) for this.
But anyways, the evennning continued and I decided to go get another XTC with the raver crew and AGAIN, the same thing happened where as I approached these other people I couldn't walk again. I was suddenly drained, literally to the point where I could not even stand up again!!!! And surprise, surprise as I got back with my friends I suddenly could climb trees and jump and do all sorts of stuff. Yeah, yeah.. people drain you down. But maaan, this time it was literal. I could not walk, and there wasn't even any conversation going on with them.. all vibes.
I don't know if you guys read that book celestine prophecy, but they talk about how people literally drain other peoples auras down. I don't know if that is the case, or if it was all on my part, but it just kind of reminded me.
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Hey lalala, to your question yes I am mostly mestizo (mix of native american and spanish)
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slyman604
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 18:02
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thinking your going to meet a real shaman as a westerner is absurd.
it would be like someone from mongolia coming over to the united states and saying to a preist or rabbi "im here on vacation for a week, teach me to a be a preist/rabbi".
it doesnt even make sense.
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 24, 2006 18:34
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Be your own shaman man.
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