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daniel duarte
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 02:05
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This has probably been discussed before, but perhaps i bring something new..
Times change, new artists come to the scene, kids grow into men, etc... it's the nature of things. No arm in here at all..
But for those new artists, there was a begining before professionalism, and their own evolution led them to pro's.
I mean, I am a producer myself, and it took me a lot of time to be who i am today.. and im still a semi-pro, i figure. Still learning a lot. And for this to happen it took years..
The thing is that, nowdays, you see this huge ammount of producers, lacking alot of quality usually.. but making it look easy and really feeling like they've own the right to be there.
Also, many times you see fake labels after their "act names".. Many of these labels i believe that are created by them or by someone who thinks like them..
I mean, its a bit like living in the wonderland, or playing games.. for them is like forming a new Clan or something.
For me this is a lack of own-conscienceness and specially an insult to ones who work harder and show-off less.
I guess this resume's my point of view. Anyone who feels like this at all? |
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 04:37
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Hey i am EYB @ Psychedelic EYB Records
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blueOrb
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blueOrb
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 11:11
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no but seriously with all the technology advancements and the price reductions many people with just computers at their home are able to come out with some really good music as well as some crappy music.........and as the psytrance scene is very small everyone in it really loves the scene and would love to contribute in some way........moreover i feel psy music is so complex that everyone who listens to it has got a sence of music which drives them towards production.......
even iam a suspect.......iam too workin on my skills and production.......
i hardly find people who just want to listen to the music and enjoy......everyone i talk to want to do something for the scene.......thats good in a way.....but the other side of the coin results in bad releases and a overall chaos situation where a new artists and label turn up every week
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Dencrypt
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 11:23
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I think listeners today are too sloppy in their choice of buying (or downloading) music. Sometimes I even see it in the reviews that we sometimes are way to nice and not entirely honest.
I mean there are a lot of musicproducers out there who is, as psyk mentioned, just having one computer, perhaps a keyboard for the clavier functioning and after that just reason 2.0, cubase and a bunch of VST/VSTi -plug-ins. Sure, u can make this sound allmost perfect if your're really skilled but as I see it, a lot of the music released today don't have that kind of expertise.
I see, maybe 1 of 10 released records enough good to actually buy.
More hardware to the people!
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 11:36
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On 2004-09-24 02:05, daniel duarte wrote:
This has probably been discussed before, but perhaps i bring something new..
Times change, new artists come to the scene, kids grow into men, etc... it's the nature of things. No arm in here at all..
But for those new artists, there was a begining before professionalism, and their own evolution led them to pro's.
I mean, I am a producer myself, and it took me a lot of time to be who i am today.. and im still a semi-pro, i figure. Still learning a lot. And for this to happen it took years..
The thing is that, nowdays, you see this huge ammount of producers, lacking alot of quality usually.. but making it look easy and really feeling like they've own the right to be there.
Also, many times you see fake labels after their "act names".. Many of these labels i believe that are created by them or by someone who thinks like them..
I mean, its a bit like living in the wonderland, or playing games.. for them is like forming a new Clan or something.
For me this is a lack of own-conscienceness and specially an insult to ones who work harder and show-off less.
I guess this resume's my point of view. Anyone who feels like this at all?
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??????  ........
dude,as a self proclaimed "semi-pro" u should know how hard u worked to get "there"and how much u love the music and live it...why do u think all the "amatures" out there love the music any less or suffer from "lack of own-conscienceness"??????
u allso say..."The thing is that, nowdays, you see this huge ammount of producers, lacking alot of quality usually.. but making it look easy and really feeling like they've own the right to be there"....."the right to be there"???????? where in there promised land after they walked 40 years in circles thru the desert??? where??? why???? i think they have earned the right to love and try and create and even to suck at it!!! with out having a "semi-pro" or a "pro" comming here and take the wind out of there sails....
to me this post looks like a big self promotion post.....and really i have nothing against that....an artists that loves the music so much like your self and MANY OTHERS....deserves to have a shot at the ultimate psy dream...good luck...waiting to hear your tunes mate 
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ganjagil
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 12:14
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I understand what you say Daniel, a story happened to me in Malta this year cause my friend started producing some crappy dark sequenced sounds which he called music and he started to self promote his "music" and when he asked me and i said i did not like it he took it against me and started saying bad things about me to people! Now i do not care cause i have been producing music as a hobby for about 4 years and i know i love it and make it because i just cannot live without it! the thing is if it was so easy to make such good music then there would be a chaos but now with all these new so called "producers" the scene is splitting up and it's good in a way so the right people listen to the right music and the others can listen to what they like!
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:15
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I love to hear new music, new artists, and i give a SHIT of the quality as long the tracks BLASTING MY BRAIN.
Quality doesn't mean PSYCHEDELIC, but psychedelic can be made with quality.
So whats ur problem, i didn't get it really?
U don't want other people to produce music?
U think u make semi pro but all the new comers do crap?
Man, there is so good new music coming and i am happy that everyone can try to make music with a single computer.
And Dencrypt i give also a SHIT of with what the music is made. Lot of music is made with only a pc, and? It is FAT.
So stop complaining about people who make music. U think it is not good music? No Quality?
Then don't listen to it. No Problem.
I love psychedelic trance, i love music from newbs and i love the music from pros.
What is the sense of this topic? To feel ur self affirmeded in ur view of the thinks?
Peace and please start thinking, or at least accept and respect the decisions of other people.
U have not the right to say people what they should do or not do!!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 14:08
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daniel, i do understand what you want to say. EYB, i don´t think he wanted to judge over the decisions of other people. he just pointed out that it is kind of suspect when so many very young producer-kids appear every day, as it usually takes years of hard work and maturation...
respect to those who really are geniuses, but the majority, i assume, is just friends of pros and not going through this difficult learning process...
and this is something that insults people like daniel and me (and i know a lot of people who see it like this). it´s not cool to see people having success when they do not deserve it. a serious musical scene doesn´t need "fast food artists".
of course it is very cool that a lot is happening in our scene, but we should all think about the important virtue of patience.
FSOL can be a very good example of how underground musicians become really good producers without rushing, just growing organically within decades.
what do you think of all that?
sorry if i insulted anyone, i don´t want to hurt anyone, just discuss seriously things without getting too emotional. |
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Pt.
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 14:19
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On 2004-09-24 12:14, ganjagil wrote:
- the right people listen to the right music and the others can listen to what they like!
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hehe.. i just loved that thought.
If the "real" psytrancers buy and listen to "real" psytrance like 'Hallucinogen'. Then the rest can listen and buy crappy psytrance like 'Yahel'. Its the same thing about rock. We got "real" rock like 'The Rolling Stones', and we got crappy rock like 'Limp Bizkit'.
But all in all its all about likes and dislikes, we are all humans with different tastes.
btw. i used random examples of psytrance and rock artists.. dont want a fight over pity things
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 14:25
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Can there really be too much music being produced, too many pictures painted, too many stories written?
Let people express themselves in their very own way, it can only be good for them. Nobody needs to be told by somebody else, that they are not creative, or artistic enough.
You don't have to own the right to produce music. Anybody who feels like should do it and I agree with EYB, it doesn't matter, if the production quality is not perfect, or if it is produced on only computer and plugins, or if somebody is a newb or a pro. There is more to a great track, than that.
And if artists can effort to make their own label, then that is good for them, because they are more free in their work, don't have to give money to another middleman and can't get ripped off.
What are you asking for daniel? More elitism? Should people have to make some kind of exam, before they are allowed to put out their music as mp3 or CD?
I agree, that there is a lot of music being released, which is not "ripe" yet and that there are newcomers, which are impatient and too eager to become "famous", but to me that is not really a problem.
It's just people, some are more forward and outgoing and others are introverted and humble.
Live and let live.
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Satyr
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 15:26
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Jeff
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 15:29
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I get a feeling the Psy scene is a bit schizophrenic  :
One day, everybody claims the scene is on the verge of apocalypse, artists dire strait, unable to buy gears, no more musical innovations...
And then, it is stated there may be too much music produced, labels popping up every now and then...
I feel very confused, I must confess.
Is this scene dying or is it blossoming out as ever ? 
IMHO, with all the fuss around it, I'd say it's far from dead !
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ganjagil
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 15:30
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Yep let everyone have a go and let the real music be listened to by the real music lovers the feeling is much more! Life evolves and people evolve and sound evolve! We are ready for the next stage in the psychedelic experience and we are ready to create it!
boom
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 15:43
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I think its the labels fault that releases pretty much everything as long as it is Full On...If Alien Project sells, this will sell aswell..VERY strange..
I have no problem at all, that people make music at home with their computer and all the coppied software they found on Direct Connect  ..
Seriously, you should critize yourself, ask your self..is this good enough? can i work more on something before i send it to someone..it seems everyone wants to release their tracks after working with music for 3 months...3 months ago they didn't know what a compressor does and how to properly use one (and i doubt they know after the released the CD)..its not unfair or something..its just unproffesional...Like someone else said here, its a difficult process, its a science..
Then the question is: if you don't think its unfair, why do you care??
The reason why I care is because its destroying the scene..
EYB said: U think it is not good music? No Quality?
Then don't listen to it. No Problem.
Of course i won't listen to it, but EYB, the problem is i LOVE psychedelic trance..but with all this shit coming out, you stop care about the new releases..You get feed up with all this 145 bpm kid computer shit stuff that belong in the toilet..You stop search for the music since you know its 95% shit and its very hard to find the good new creative releases.. so of course i care if the music today its shit..i won't listen to it, but it affects the scene..And it affects the artist that really give something...
And something i will get flaimed for i am sure..if you release music, that you''ve done only with with software (Like 90% of todays scene), you should BUY the softwares you are working with.. I know lots of arist are sitting with coppied software.. And then they are complaining
that people download their cd on mp3..to me the artist does the same shit when they download the software.. they are no better..
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