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daniel duarte
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 16:49
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On 2004-09-24 14:08, deejayridoo wrote:
daniel, i do understand what you want to say. EYB, i don´t think he wanted to judge over the decisions of other people. he just pointed out that it is kind of suspect when so many very young producer-kids appear every day, as it usually takes years of hard work and maturation...
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Yes deejayridoo, thats was basically my point.
Many people have a positive vibe about this overflow of artists. If there's so many artists it can't be bad right? it just means more music for you to ear.. WRONG!
The problem is that no artist who lives of his music, will make the song just for you listening pleasure at home. It's good that it happens and stuff, but lets be honest, it doenst "put food in their mouth"
It's also good to have a good variety of sounds, as you say... but that really doesnt happen. The newcomers will mostly develop an already created style.. Do you really need music clones in this scene?
Let's get real for a second.. major labels are closing, major artists are quiting the scene... why is this all happening? It has all been discussed here... the mp3 trading, the easy concept around music creation...
A few years ago it wasnt like this.. Not everyone wanted to be a dj or a producer. The only thing that brings some hope, is thinking that when hard times strike, only the true musicians will stay... if they havent starved yet.
..and i respect all the newcomers man. we all have to start somewhere isnt it? but lets just keep humble and give some value to your own evolution. respect |
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 19:00
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Daniel,
I think that your problem is somewhere else, sorry.
Why are your crumbling yourself with the existense of the huge mass of young artists?
If you miss "innovation" you should also argue against the your called "major"-artists, too.
So that can't be the point.
Maybe you just are just frustrated by your own artist-carreer?
Its just a question.
AND... spare the time to answer me. You have to answer to yourself. |
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daniel duarte
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 19:15
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Hei kitnam... not at all man. And my problem is not the lack of inovation  .. perhaps reading my first post will give you a better idea of what im saying.
And some of you are taking all this the wrong way! Im not asking for pitty or something like that... Im not even complaining about it.. And i am certaintly not promoting myself (as someone said ) cause i dont even use my act name here, as you probably noticed... Im not interested in any of that.
Just saying whats on my mind about all this, and try to figure out if my concept is either right or wrong. For that to happen I need to be faced with arguments, like a true discussion should be, so please.. state them here.
respect to all.. |
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 19:53
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For sure its what is on your mind.
For sure we have discussion allready.
Ok, did I understood you correctly...
...Because I am realy not sure now.
The problem is not the lack of innovation, the problem is that the huge mass young producers sitting behind their homestudio releasing trax in a few month while other people need hard working years for it?
Maybe I need an example. Which Artist exactly do you mean? Give me the name and we gonna ask him, how many hours of doom he had behind his sequencer.
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Pointy
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 20:31
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MS-20 wrote:
You stop search for the music since you know its 95% shit and its very hard to find the good new creative releases..
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I agree, that the bigger part of releases is very poor, but that shouldn't stop you from searching. You are not alone, there are other people "digging through the shit" as well.
And the trancescene is no exception. There are some excellent pieces of music being produced in every genre, even pop, but it is difficult to find them.
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daniel duarte wrote:
The problem is that no artist who lives of his music, will make the song just for you listening pleasure at home. It's good that it happens and stuff, but lets be honest, it doenst "put food in their mouth"
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I think, there are very few artists, that do actually live of producing trance music, if you'd be honest to yourself, you would realize, that psy trance is not the right genre to make money out of music.
No offence, I am just saying what is on my mind. |
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mono mono
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 20:55
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From the hugh masses pointing and clicking notes and curves and knobs and sliders a few bubble through with enough confidence to let others listen to what they think is "quality" music. This forms a natural selection process. I know quite a few people making music, most of them are too shy to play their stuff to others. This leaves us with far fewer either 1) humble people who create outstanding quality music, 2) arrogant, egotistical people who truly feel they've breached the "production enlightenment wall". I don't think there alot of type 2 people out there. I'm not sure there's a "production enlightenment wall" because there's always more to learn, stuff that makes you think what you were previously doing was shite.
It's a big leap to get up on the PA with crowd in their party vibe and put your own music on. To your horror you discover that all that thumpin' bass courtesy of GMS or whoever, has now disappearred when you put one of your tracks on and people slowing edge off the dance floor.
I sense that Daniel might be frustrated by the sheer quantity of music to sift through. Perhaps he's gotten burned by recent purchases. There are solutions 1) distribute the listening among friends, recommend to each other 2) download the music from any reputable piracy site and try before you burn.
Or, perhaps Daniel thinks his music is superior to lots of stuff being "released" and is wondering why he can't get his music released. Daniel, labels tend to have their signature sound, you need to use their template to get them to respond.
Yes, I agree that there are labels out there that exist solely to provide a release vehicle for their owners music.
There was a good Mushroom Magazine article about the psytrance listener archetypes last year.
A quick note about innovation. If more people make more music, mutation is inevitable. This mutation drives the process of innovation. By not getting it quite "right" something new can come of it.
-dean
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rodram
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 21:50
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There is no harm in having tons of new artists. Though I am not going through hundreds of new releases, I stick with the producers I like already and none of those use 1 PC and a couple of plug-ins. Production quality defintely is important to me. That what makes the difference between a great producer and a not so great one... |
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Biotouch (dj Loko)
Biotouch
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 21:52
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its evolution baby.. cant take the chalenges?
if you are good you going to be noticed if not you can allways talk bad about the others but that dont going to do you any good..
by the way in this trance world.. one thing you have for sure is... people that say one thing to you but on your back...envy...and most off all lies.. so just choose well the people around you and belive in your self with some sence...try to do your best even if it take time.. dont do a music per day just to tell you do and send to your friends more one unr.. instead grow up and be professional..
this is just my opinion not talking to no one...
take care ppl cheers
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 22:17
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I personally think a bit more elitism could be in place again.
Before it was only ppl who had the cash to spend on a big hardware setup that could get started making tunes.
I felt soo cool and elite back then.
It was like an exclusive click that been taking the plunge.
Everyone wanted to make music or dj back then, but not all who wanted could.
And there was this great ladder where the more hardware you had and the more costly it was the better you would sound.
Now any kid can make good sounding stuff on a single cheap computer. That really bothers me.
It makes me feel like any kid.
Ooops...irony attack....sorry
Seriously......of course there will be more crap...personally I'm looking for the good stuff, and there will be more of that as well |
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alan
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 22:33
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This is a topic of real facination and I have read some brilliant analysis.
For me the "explosion" of trax in 2002 & 2003 produced the best psytrance since the start.
Now we have so many different style within psytrance that the number of releases is hard to find the good trax.
If not for soulseek you can forget about following the music but thats ok too...
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Biotouch (dj Loko)
Biotouch
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 00:40
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slyman604
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 03:29
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this post is a bunch of crap.
having alot of artists is a good thing. I suspect the original poster thinks his music is better than it really is and that so many artist are making it hard for him to be heard. the good stuff and original stuff will always bubble up to the top and be heard. if your stuff is not in that category its probly because its not the good and original stuff. so stop complaining and do something mind blowing and get heard |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 07:33
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On 2004-09-24 20:55, mono mono wrote:
There was a good Mushroom Magazine article about the psytrance listener archetypes last year.
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oh yeah, i read that, too.
was very interesting and amusing to recognise myself and friends in those archetypes of "consumers" of psychedelic trance.
yaniv (from hadshot) wrote this article. |
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Mike A
Subra
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 11:21
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I'll tell you what's happening. Everyone here, including myself listened to trance back then, in the "good old days" when it was new to his ears. Even crap would sound good, because it was new and unexplored territory.
Today you have old and tired ears, so the music doesn't sound so much appealing.
You are always wondering what does the kids find in that "killa music". The exact thing you found in the music of old times.
Think about it.
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Vicky
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 25, 2004 11:43
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namaste!
true that there are many ppl who want to be artists or do something here.
defi not bad for the scene
i can understand the point that there are chances that an artist who has put in his life, but if dosent promote himself well, might go unrecognised.
but then its the artist who has to take care of that part and if he is really good he has to come out and show the world. but i guess thats the feeling with everyone and everyone here does the same.
right now there arent many ppl in this scene as compared to ther other generes so the % of ppl tryin to be on stage are more than on the floor.
but as rightly said by someone here
its evolution
things will move
talent will be recognised rightly and others will realise that they need to put in more to be there.
peace
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