Stregone
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 17:05
I think you are melting up everything...
Of course this was a festival organised in Bulgaria, but from a western guy.... so it is more then normal that he wanted to call many friends... in the beginning I think it was the main purpose, to make a little party by calling his friends to mix.... but from what I understood ( I didn't organised so I'm not so into what happened exactly, I just have an idea...) Mani from headroom had to manage the line up and he tought he had I don't know which budjet... so he called all his label friends, all the friends of friends and the line up got enormous....
Of course the good thing to do was to call the friends of spike who wanted to come by paying their tickets themselves... calling many locals dj's and if all went well pay back the travel to the friends and a the travel plus a little book to the locals dj's... but is not so evident to knows those things the first time you organise such an event.... especially if you have to deal with people on which you can't really rely on the end...
So this could have been a superb festival but it's ended as a really small events, very nice for the few who where there... but with many complaints....
Now I think you are seeing all this in a way too personal.....
There is a balance in everything...
And by the way I can tell you that the local villages where really involved in this.... and every night there was local people coming dancing even if it was the first time they were listening to this music....
Of course the whole Bulgarian scene wasn't involved... but I think it's not so easy to do it all well or to involve many local scene when you are in Bulgaria since 1 year and a half and do not come from there... and not also so easy to speak to everybody reply to everybody and keep speaking here and there in forums and so on.....
But as said wasn't organising so I can't tell...
moki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 19:53
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On 2009-08-08 17:05, Stregone wrote:
Mani from headroom had to manage the line up and he tought he had I don't know which budjet... so he called all his label friends, all the friends of friends and the line up got enormous....
well, good to know this, because it is a fact that i never heard of this.
i know that spike wanted to make a nice small festival and i supported this plan and i was ready to help him with everything because i know him kind of more personally and i had very nice time with him in the mountains of bulgaria. i wanted to help him with the website and advertisement ( after all it is my job to do websites and advertisement) and much more things. but this pathetic line up was the problem of all.
yes i know that spike has very good concections to the village because he is a part of this village and lives there. i was there also many times and saw that he has the protection of the authorities.
it was just his pathetically big line up with no thracian participation. and spike really didnt answer to many many ppl who offered help. and they on turn didnt realize that he is actually a great guy and doesnt wanna do it for money (which was not always the case with any others from the organizers of the flops the years before). so the scandal started.
i hope you dont get me wrong - we are a country with a lot of tourism, we have here more tourists than citizens (especially in my birth place on the beach) and we love tourists and cultural exchange. they are very welcome and we love them. but this festival just wasnt suppported by the spirits of trakia. may be you will laugh at my non scientific methods but the spirits were just against it. you have to bring the eldest ppl of a place in order to connect to the spirits. always. otherwise the ancestors will destroy your plans because you dont respect them.
anyway, i am sure that some ppl from bulgaria will not agre with my arrogant way to say all these things here in isratrance and i dont speak on behalf of anyone. i just speak honestly. i hope to see in another festival one day.
i just dont like the supression of talents. i am against it. the western world is pathetic. the western trance doesnt even have the main virtue of the west to make festivals as professional business. the only thing they do is to supress foreign cultures.
but i send best greets to all who will ever visit this country and i hope you will see more of its culture rather than such flops.
much love and hope for a better festival.
btw who is this mani from germany , i dont know him. but anyway - it is also a part of the professionalism to know to whom you can rely. spike chose to whom to rely.
moki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 19:55
the budget was planed according to the expectations of 3000 visitors. i told him 100 times this will never happen. well anyway - the most difficult thing is to know to whom you can rely.
moki
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Posted : Aug 9, 2009 01:39
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but okey, in order to really close this topic for myself, i will write a last one here to put an objective end to it for now ( as i need to fly back to germany at the end of the day because my home is there).
i dont want to sound pathetic so i will say a last thing. i dont want to protect to bulgarian trance scene with this cause i have made the experience that they dont respect the thracian culture themselves. so i only protect the thracians. dont call it the spirit of thrakia because it is not.
and besides , i find this bulgarian scene not less pathetic than all others. this is the truth. and the other big truth is that this festival could have been much more successful if the bulgarian scene in the internet, i.e. ouim.org had let me speak on behalf of spike in bulgarian language as spike doesnt speak bulgarian so good yet. but ouim banned me together with gain reduction some years ago because we were having some sort of too private discussions in the forums. i decided never to come there again and deactivated my account cause i find it pathetic to ban me after i had written articles and whatever for them.
so at the end of the day, even after i asked them if i can do some better publicity for this event , they did not care about it. and btw as i said some things about the " german way" , whatever it is, it can be very bad in the masses, but you still find the spirit in germany as well. actually i have never ever found so much spirit somewhere else than in germany.
good bye to all here, sorry to spike if he reads but i needed to say these things. much love nevertheless. i need to fly again back to berlin. bye and boom
thanks to isratrance for this opportunity to communicate with one another. whatever it is. just forget it.
do your events, just without me. germany or bulgaria or india or whatever it is.
Stregone
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Posted : Aug 9, 2009 07:45
anyway after many years in this scene I can tell you in most part of partys and festivals, you will find more drugs, alternative capitalists, wannabe artists or ego-"stars" and moneymakers organisers then true spirit....
moki
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Posted : Aug 9, 2009 18:37
yes you are right. that is why even i dont wanna be categorised as trancer any more - i just wanna protect the ancient cultures that i had the happiness to get to know.
and btw here is a special greeting for you dear stregone:
this is a traditional bulgarian song that is flying on voyager on a golden disc as a message of human civilization to other civilizations. guess what is the reason that exactly this song is flying there and not a country song of a culture that came some 7000 later. if you read the topic cosmic octave you would know why.
btw we from the balkans are very proud of our traditional music. it is our most precious cultural inheritage. others from the western world can only try to kill it or supress it , they will just never agree that the culture of europe started somewhere in a totally different place and in the times when we had magnificent cities and temples, they had only empty woods and wooden cottages of 3 people near the river.
the trance culture doesnt interest me so much any more. i just hoped that spike would do his best to protect the ancient thracians but he had obviously other goals.
btw these white people in the circle of my pictures are gonna meet in a few days in the mountains again. many tausand years ago these mountains had special conncetions to tibet under the earth. i just wanna keep any invaders away from this sacred place. it is not the next vacation place for hedonists from the west to come and expect that we kniel in front of them. i will never do it. never kniel.
( and besides , even in terms of western categories, i dont have any reason to kniel in front of idiots and social outsiders as well. cause i have a social status in western society that they dont have with my university and job. guess when i am gonna kniel in front of the west - never ever).
be welcome at this magical place but only with an attitude of respect towards our ancestors. and everything will be fine.
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Posted : Aug 9, 2009 20:15
wow .... this got offtopic a lot of times .... So, I would politely ask you Moki to stay on course please. For presenting the Balkan, Trakian or any other culture please use the numerous threads around this forum and you'll do more good than trying change the scene with presenting that amount of material on this specific party thread.... Anyways, my opinion is that there are many unknowns to just state the reason why this party failed, it's ok to generalize but as I stated before you can't do it always. The strangest thing about this is that except for Ivan(LGI) and Moki not a single Bulgarian has appeared to type something in here. We should stay focused on the party, what was missed and what should be done in order for the next one to succeed, I agree with Moki that there are tons of great artists who should be invited to play and I am sure that they will for a small amount of fee but we ( I am speaking on behalf my country) are so hyped of the outside world that we tend to forget the good things among us, but that's again off topic.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 9, 2009 20:51
yes , i politely go:) dont worry ( btw this topic doesnt have the name of this particular party but never mind:)))
here is a further reading of what bulgarians said about this festival. a page that has some opinions in english.
