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moki
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Posted : Aug 3, 2009 23:43
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oh yes.
and something more about the intercultural exchange.
this is my engagement in switzerland for a comparison:
http://www.psychedelic-experience.info/
and this festival flop that happens continuously in bulgaria is the cultural exchange. actually the name of bulgaria has been continously killed by them. what about considering that bulgaria is one of the very few places where the spirit still lives? can you leave these ridiculous non-affordable line ups for somewhere else please????????????????????
whatever. how do you want to do a festival the spirit of trakia without the tracians???????????????????? what is this spirit of trakia??????
whatever. i would expect excuse for all the festivals done in this country which turned to be the biggest flops in the trance world. i have solidarity with bulgarians in this case, cause i know bulgarian and i know exactly this high nosed attitude of the rest of the world, as if they ve grasped the beard of god. you can forget it.
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LGI
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 14:44
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Tina, smoke a chillum and then read this 
You travel a lot.
Can you please tell me are people all over the world speaking bad things about Bulgaria, because of Xpo and Chamla Kingdom? From my experience by traveling - none. Maybe if you start this topic with them, there might be a descussion... But you see if you are invited artist to Trakia and then Spike don't pays you, sure you are gonna share this information with your friends/artists/djs/labels and maybe write it somewhere in forum, but what will you say "Hey this cuntry (Bulgaria) is fucked up, they sux and bla-bla..."??? The bad name is for Spike, for Trakia Psy Friends Festival. Yes, i agree that they are some people who will write bad words to Bulgaria, but only negative people will catch on the bite, and such people we don't need on festivals right? If i am wrong, that everyone should come, then there will be another complaiment "Hey festivals are going commersials, all kinds of stupid idiots are there, fuck this festivals is fucked up..."
So really i don't know what is the big noise every time... What we are doing by this is only destroing ourselfs, not the scene... Every true spiritual person (persons who we need on the festival, not the others from who we will complain after the festival anyway) doesn't lose his time and energy for this, doesn't get only the negative point of view from an event, DOESN'T THINK THAT THEY ARE BORDERS, DON'T CARE ABOUT POLITICS THAT ARE SAYING "hey this is Sofia, you will be here and do this" or "hey this is Bulgaria and bla-bla". People are free, they are no borders, only the material worlds creates it and if there is people who doesn't realise this, then WE ARE USING THEM ONLY FOR MONEY ENTRANCE AND WE SKIP THE WHOLE PSYCHEDELIC CONCEPT/TRANCE/CULTURE/WHATEVER YOU NAME IT POINT OF VIEW.
You can't show the world how it should be, you can't change a person. Let the people know their true for themselfs.
Think about it, because all of our will to help the world and people we make tons of problems, for which we blame everyone and again the whole thing love, peace, unity, respect goes somewhere behind... |
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LGI
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 14:48
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Now if you look at this topic and see all your posts about Trakia and my posts about Trakia, you will see who is making the bad advertisment before and after the festivals, not to mention that you were not there... And you are talking about other people? Don't be a part of them... A part of the "other people", your consciousness is way above those things... Don't lose your positive energy... |
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moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 22:09
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my problem is that they really DO talk bad things about bulgaria after the xpo and chamla. i dont live in bulgaria since quite a lot of years and i guess i really have other perspective of this situation. they ruined the name of bulgaria as a festival location!!!! they ruined any attempts of other promoters to do anything worth mentioning in bulgaria. what if i want to do a real conceptualised festival in bulgaria myself - it will never happen after those disastrous festivals full of lies.
but you can believe - each one of those artists who came to bulgaria, paid 1000 dollar flight ticket on their own and got cheated by such organizers , do talk bad things about bulgaria after that. and no one fucking cares that these festivals were organized by foreigners or by whom.
about this festival - there were rumours everywhere " dont go , dont go, dont go, bulgaria festivals suck". this is what i have to hear all the time there where i live in the circles where i move.
so actually where is the justice and why do we have to live with this image of bulgaria that has not even been created by bulgarians????????????????????????
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this is what bothers me a lot. okey i am not 100 percent bulgarian, i have german and russian ancestors too. but i feel a part of bulgaria too. officially born there. and i dont like this shit happening all the time there.
for me the worst one was the last time in chamla. so they invite 100 artists and cannot even have the professionalism to drag a fucking sound system to the place. and we waited 10 days for the fucking sound system of 4 kw. what is this????? it is so fucking stupid. if they had contacted any bulgarian there, even me, we would have got a sound system for them. so first class artists come to bulgaria and play in 4 kw sound system. fucking ridiculous. others dont even get taken at the airport.
at the end , i went to make an interview with them, and some guy from psychomania is explaining to me that the bulgarian are guilty cause they had a bad vibe. i will post the interview right now - he was talking about a couple of ppl from bulgaria like psytech team and whatever. not that i am a friend of them, but i expect an apology after they ruined the name of bulgaria in this way. i am still very angry with this festival in chamla. the expo was alos a disaster - the guy from israel ran away with the money on the second day and left anyone there not knowing what to do with the invited artists.
about spike - i think he was the best case of all of them. i know him personally and i know his noble goals and after all he lives in bulgaria now. so he is a part if this country too. but he just did not realize what is the situation in bulgaria and did not hear any advice from any bulgarian about it. that is why, it is not my business any more to deal with this festival. after i heard that most artists from the line up did not even knew they were on the line up, i left this festival.
btw i was making advertisement on my website and i could make it tausand times better if he had left me develop the concept instead of telling me 1000 times that others are helping. so i left it. but i havent made bad advertisment, only i tried to warn some friends of minde from germany a day before the festival cause i realized that they are not gonna take their money ( someone was already there and calling the others that he is stuck in bulgaria and no one pay his ticket back). and i made a good thing for them because they are not rich ppl and cant afford this either. besides, if you read on goabase, you will see the real bad advertisment in an international forum. if i were a visitor, i would not go either.
i was not there because i dont wanna present my visual concepts in front of ppl who dont understand them. and btw the discussions in ouim killed any plans of mine to go there - i dont visit festivals that are attended by violent ppl any more.
i am not as a visitor there.
i dont get my flight ticket, as discussed with spike, so i had to pay myself. till today i had absolutely no money to do this. so am i expected to go per hichhiking with two laptops in my ass?
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moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 22:13
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and here once more. if you think i made a bad advertisement for bulgaria. i dont think so. but i cant cheat my friends and tell them to go to play there, if i am sure it is gonna be a flop.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 4, 2009 22:51
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here is this small video interview with the guy after this disastrous festival chamla. it is so fucking ridiculous to say that bulgarians are guilty. are they guilty for the fact that the organizers could not even bring their sound system to the place and that first class artists had to play on 4 kw or whatever the shit was?????? i know at least 10 ppl who offered help.
the organizers dont even want the help. + the fact that they destroyed the deco of a bulgarian deko team of girls in the night on acid. it is so fucking pathetic. take your acid somewhere else instead of blaming those who have nothing to do with the flop.
the interview is made in bulgarian with a makedonian representative of psychomania.
http://www.archive.org/details/InterviewWithPsychomania
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| for me the worst one was the last time in chamla. so they invite 100 artists and cannot even have the professionalism to drag a fucking sound system to the place. and we waited 10 days for the fucking sound system of 4 kw. what is this????? it is so fucking stupid. if they had contacted any bulgarian there, even me, we would have got a sound system for them. so first class artists come to bulgaria and play in 4 kw sound system. fucking ridiculous. others dont even get taken at the airport.
at the end , i went to make an interview with them, and some guy from psychomania is explaining to me that the bulgarian are guilty cause they had a bad vibe. i will post the interview right now - he was talking about a couple of ppl from bulgaria like psytech team and whatever. not that i am a friend of them, but i expect an apology after they ruined the name of bulgaria in this way. i am still very angry with this festival in chamla. |
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LGI
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 12:18
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Chill out Tina, i hope we can meet soon, because in Saturday i go to Macedonia for a forest open air, and i will be back at Sunday night, Monday i am here and in Tuesday early in the morning i go to Ozora, then Transylvania and then go back to Sofia... |
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kikola
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Posted : Aug 5, 2009 12:37
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I think that one has to be smarter and blame a certain group of people not a whole nation. On the other hand it's sad that people generalize and because of some inexperienced wannabes and not to mention criminals the reputation is as is. Moki I agree with you and I really can't think of a way to stop or help the people who are not prepared to make a festival and again they do it whether it would be a flop or not. But I am very happy how this conversation evolved, we should keep it going like this.
Kikola out
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moki
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Posted : Aug 7, 2009 12:21
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hey dears,
did you notice the earthquake two days ago in bulgaria in the black sea near varna?? i was exactly there on the beach. it was very strange. bulgaria is quite extreme right now:) never seen such an earthquake in my whole life before.
kikola: best greets to you bro, i really love macedonia and so do most of the bulgarian freaks that i know. 15 percent of my favourite artists are macedonian. and it was the first foreign country i ever saw in my life lots of years ago:))). my dream for this trakia festival was to reunite. because even if we are separated now by different nationalities, we have had very similar history many centuries ago, we were even the same people, we have similar traditional music and almost same languages.... and we are definitely the oldest place in europe where there were cities many tousand years ago before the greeks came. but my dream did not happen. but i will not lose hope, i still believe it is possible. just to reunite, not to "hate" each other like in the interview. btw i even cut the worst places where he was talking that no one from bulgaria can dj. i know some superior djs from bulgaria, even if many of them are doing "the image" for other countries instead. so am i with my projects. but i will change this. enough of this creepy image of bulgaria. i am doing advertisement for germany with my website for nothing - the masses there are unbearable. germany is dead this sommer. in the mushroom magazine article about my website they wrote i am from germany and this very ambitious project comes from germany. i am not. i am born in bulgaria.
whatever it is. better forget any generalizing before we all cut the head of anyone else. we are rich in such case in our history in the balkans:).
before i leave isratrance for my next forum allergy phase, i will post to you some more interviews that i made on chamla festival. just a second.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 7, 2009 12:52
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http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=5923913346095875807
This is a video interview done in english with two bulgarian talents , i am a big fan of their music: Kliment and Surbahar (Pavelot).
The interview is done in Germany while they were visiting me before they made a gig on the Gathering of the tribes in Frankfurt. i need to recut it cause it is too old and done under the label psy-film.com which was my earlier website but i have nothing to do with it now. this is also the german way - i started this website on my own on a german server of someone and in the moment i left him (relationship) he cut my rights to my own website - deleted my password to the server from my own project.
am i generalizing? this is because i dont know it in another way from germany. never seen it in another way. so now the fucking psy film com is really "only german". so great. whatever. i started a better one . no one can stop me. and i will finish a third language finally this winter: bulgarian and russian. i promise. i have to show you some video images of bulgaria.
whatever. a lot to do. i will do it. whatever it costs me.
here some more in bulgaria
Interview with VATAFF PROJECT http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1928276091857901901
( this one is in bulgarian)
i have a very sweet one with psytech team too, but they did not like it so i put it off the internet.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 7, 2009 13:36
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and a last one:
Interview with GOA GIL in Bulgaria. this was the first interview i ever made with him. berlin was much later. berlin would never come if i did not meet him in bulgaria first. just wanted to have posted this. it is old and i will recut all of these old images better now. you will hear from me from bulgaria once more.
http://www.timewavezero-productions.com/tv/index.php?id=65
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Stregone
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 14:54
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I was at trakya, I have played 5 times to fill the gaps... I had fun I was there because Spike is a friend of mine and I wanted to see where he lives and to be part of this festival...
The festival was well organised for what is structures, there was a huge clear sound 100.000 watts sound system, a big bar, enough space for 5000 people, entrance, toilets, showers, food and a really beautifull place...
Of course what didn't work was those collaborations in the organisations.... with some german guys who booked all their friends telling them their would get flight and book all payed without moving a finger...
Finally there were more then 100 artists on the line up but maybe 10-14 really involved in the project and those were there.... the others are just a bunch of people moving for money and fame...
Ok not everybody want to pay his ticket to go in Bugaria and play for 40 people.... but I really had fun, I was in holydays many frie nds of mine were there and I enjoyed... and for me this was a Psyfriends party mini festival..
If Spike find out the way to pay out all the Bulgarian people who were involved to work there from the village of Miladinovsti and the villages around and the renting of the materials... and he efford to do this again next year, I will come back! Even if I have to pay again my flight ticket...
And even if there were like mybe 60 people maximum every day and maximum 40-60 on the dancefloor every night... I have spoke to many Bulgarian people and enjoyed to drink rakia with them and speak about the situation in Bulgaria... so I don't feel like the locals weren't involved...
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moki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 15:12
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well, i dont know what to say about 60 guests with a line up of 60 names. something is obviously not done right.
but whatever it is, i said i dont feel that the bulgarians were involved because i read ouim and there i read kliment, pavelot and gain reduction which are all very very good artists, and many more ppl were offering help and they got no answer. neither per mail nor in the forum. another one who owns a website with a traffic of tausands and tausands of people offered to do advertisement, and did not get an answer as well. so he made no advertisement, which was btw going to be for free even ( normally it costs a lot to do this in a website with such traffic). they all say that they did not get an answer.
but i dont wanna mix with this subject any more. i dont think that the artists are moving for fame and money. it was just the attitude. and btw bulgarians have a special attitude towards the subject about trakia culture. the rest of the world knows quite little about the ancient thracians. and we protect our culture because it is one of the very few ancient cultures left in this world. i am never ever gonna be westernized and turned into a modern citizen of the world. because the roots are too old and the older it is, the more truth there is inside.
for this festival you could have first class bulgarian and macedonian artists for 20 euro travelling costs. and they were all going to come for the noble goal.
but instead, we had a line up of ppl for 300 euro who at the end of the day even turned the festival to be a flop because they all said to the others how bad the festival was. so the guests from abroad did not come because this word spread around.
as far as my visual trip on the tibetan book of the dead is involved , i have done it 100 times even for one person only. i dont mind the 60 ppl. but i just dont want to be a part of sth that is against my inner believes.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 15:26
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and btw i have always found it absolutely pathetic that some western djs take 300-500 euro for their gig , and they have nothing to do with music, they know absolutely nothing about music ( no musical background in any way). a
and on the contrary we have really really amazing bulgarian and macedonian artists or others from romania and greece and other places in the balkans who play for 50 euro for a live gig. studied music and done everything they do with an equipment second hand. ( in comparison to germany where anyone supported with many from the state for being without job, can buy a studio for his zero talent).
this is really ridiculous. and i will not support this suppresion of talents any more. never ever. the western trance culture is absolutely dead for me. well, okey, i have had quarrels with some guys from bulgaria as well, (normal between the sexes anyway) but i dont support any supression on them.
we have a culture of 8000 years and you want to westernize this place with ridiculous activities.
i cant see this any more. and i will even fight a spiritual war to protect it. if somebody believes that the west is so much better in anything and we should kniel in front of you - then just stay where you are with the spirit of the voov or wahtever it is, instead of invading the placees with the real spirit behind.
i will not let this happen. lets see what you can do against me in this case.
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moki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2009 15:28
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and my favourite sample:
" YOU ARE WELL PAID YEAH?
KILL ME NOW!
I WILL NOT OBEY
I WILL NOT KNIEL"
GOD LISTEN TO ME. SHE IS SICK WITH DARKNESS!"
this is the spirit of trakia.
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