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Sadness in Seattle

mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 20:24
Wait you guys... this is getting out of control.

Dennis has never lived in the US, so it's easy to not understand how things work here... In Sweden, there are lots of social programs that are a bit more advanced than what's happening out here in the US....

YOu can never understand someone's tone when they post. So it's easy to misconstrue the situation.

First of all Dennis, the survivors are financially responsible for all the funerals here in the US... and it's a never ending business... Not to mention moving expenses and whatever type of counselling that the survivors and close friends will need to be able to cope with this situation.


Aeon is a close friend of those who were harmed by this incident, and to be honesty, I even took the reply you made a little heavily as I didn't understand where you were coming from...

When it's all said and done life must go on, and it needs the capital to do so. Harsh as it may sound... That's the way things work out here....           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 20:32
Im deeply sorry if i insulted anyone, that was never my point. All i wanted to say is that there has to be better ways to raise money for such a matter than a paypal account posted on a forum..

A paypal account doesnt seem like a very serious way to solve this problems.

I think you will raise more if you make a gathering after the things calmed down.


Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 20:37
Quote:

On 2006-03-29 20:09, LoveLikeRain wrote:
Due to your insensitive words here I will make it my personal agenda to avoid the Devils Mind label and ALL of its artists. I will never give you my money or support any of your artists.



i guess you didnt know, but when buying our cd's you dont support us or our artists since we give the 100% of the income to charitywork like http://www.savethechildren.org and amnesty international.

Thats how heartless we are...

Thank you
Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 21:27
First of all, people here suffered a loss...And you can PC it anyway you choose Devil's Mind dude, but how they choose to grieve or set up ways to help each other financiallyis entirely up to them, regardless of how you see it....And no matter how you slant it, your need to intervene and give your two cents was completely selfish and unecessary...You don't agree? Ok, fine...you may be right for sure, or not?...but to impose your feelings on those that are grieving is pretty f'ed up in my opinion.....if one were to assume why they were using PayPal, why not assume it's for the convienience factor? Why assume the worst of your fellow trancers,or Americans, or whatever? and because you donate to charities doesn't mean you were thoughtful or caring in this case. That says nothing about what you did here......

That's all I am saying...Think before you speak....And if not at all necessary or beneficial, why bother?


          assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 21:41
yea youre right.. im deeply sorry. ive just seen to many paypals theese days for several reasons, i guess this wasnt the right time and the right place for me to bring this up..

i apologize for my stupidity
a'damn
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 22:34
Paypal is a simple way to get money from anyone to anyone. Much easier, quicker and DIY than setting up a legal non-profit for donating with.
LoveLikeRain

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 22:41
"this matter reminds me of necrophilia since both terms are taking advantage of dead people."
^^
Dennis the menace
Devils Mind Records


It was this comment more then any other that got to me. Necrophilia? So wanting to help the survivors get back on their feet is somehow analogous to having sex with the dead? F@#K you.. How is helping our friends get back on their feet taking advantage of the dead? It is you who is taking advantage of the dead by spewing your hate filled diatribe on a subject you clearly know nothing about just so you can claim some kind of moral high ground. You need to do some soulsearching about what you said today and the impact words like Necrophilia have on those who saw their friends and lovers gunned down in cold blood in front of them. Have some compassion for christs sake.
mubali
Mubali

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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 23:24
It's obvious that neither side were thinking clearly when the posts were made. I'm not defending his lack of judgement for making the post that he did, but I am also trying to point out that such claims such as false charities have been done before...

This is a difficult time for everyone. Let's all take a step back and try this again....

We need to pull our family together and assist those who were affected by this event. The paypal is one way to do it... Let's use all the ways we can to get together and help out instead of taking our anguish out on those that honestly don't fully understand the situation. This is going to take time and effort... but being friends and family, we have to lend our support.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
obu
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 00:33
My heart goes out to the victims families. This is really tragic, really makes you realize the fragility of life and the thin line we walk on sometimes.

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kArO
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 00:55
It's so very sad... It makes me think of my mother's worries about my running around town, making friends everywhere I go... even meeting strangers in an airport on good faith that we'll share a wonderful time... Can't let something like this slow the good vibrations. (Scary though...)

Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 01:02
Quote:

On 2006-03-29 21:41, Dennis the menace wrote:
yea youre right.. im deeply sorry. ive just seen to many paypals theese days for several reasons, i guess this wasnt the right time and the right place for me to bring this up..

i apologize for my stupidity




not stupidity either...just passionate about your view and I can appreciate that. just some things are better left said at another time or place if you feel that way about them. Peace man, and nothing but love for all here.

Anyway, my heart does truly go out to all these people...this was possibly the worst news I could have heard on a Monday morning. It shows how fragile life really is....And how one troubled soul can effect the life of so many, so drastically and in so many ways.....Part of me wants to hate him...and the other part wants to really understand what the hell would cause such hatred towards these lovers of life who were so kind to offer their hospitality to a stranger........You f'er, why?

          assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
droozi
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 02:00
violence of a nation results in its people becoming violent. My heart goes out to the poor souls who had to bear the brunt of the systemized and televised programming of a serial killer.
furthur
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 02:45
that is some heavy stuff
always hurts more when it is so apparently senseless
nothing is permanent indeed           Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.

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Psy_Active
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 03:47
Quote:

On 2006-03-27 08:36, Voxmulox wrote:
stupid freedom to bear arms...sux
any idiot can buy a gun and go on a rampage





Amen...
But sadly alot of ppl dont see that... need a gun to protect them self from the russians or the king of england.. but its mostly used for violence and very sad situations like this... this was very sad and almost made me shed a tear, how fun can turn into terror in seconds...

My heart goes out to the victims familys..
Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  869
Posted : Mar 30, 2006 21:09
In any country guns are available. Either legally, or otherwise...And any smart person that wanted to commit a crime with a gun wouldn't do it with a gun that was legally registered to him.....Where there is a will there is a way. Legal or not...this guy would have found a way to excercise his impulse.

AMERICA is not to blame for something his parents had total control over...HIS MORAL VALUES. His love for humanity....I am an American and my mother taught to never hurt a living thing...She was born here too......Sorry, just sick of people blaming society when this person had complete control over himself. I mean..c'mon, dude was 28 years old....
          assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
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