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klippel
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Posted : Feb 14, 2014 21:06:08
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klippel
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Posted : Feb 14, 2014 21:15
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the sound of the pure 303 seems nice for a emulation, not the real deal after all though.
scatter effect -> lol.
the touch screen design is also rather lol imho.
  http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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Yidam
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Posted : Feb 14, 2014 21:55
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Sounds very tame, something that the 303 is not.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 03:05
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OzMike
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 05:54
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No interest in this toy at all but IMO the TR-8 looks awesome for the price. The sound on the SonicState review pack a wallop. I'd be keen for that & the System-1 depending on price of the System-1 (if it's less than the Nord Lead 4 it'd be a great va synth IMO).
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klippel
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 08:40
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The System 1 is a cool concept for sure. If the sound quality is say on Diva level this would be tempting indeed!
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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klippel
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 10:50
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regarding the tb-8, it is cool to have a dedicated interface say for live jamming, but for gigging its way to big and heavy from what i can see..
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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Essio
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 12:15
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zero_the_hero
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Posted : Feb 15, 2014 18:37
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TR-8 : 593€
TB-3 : 355€
System-1 : 712€
VT-3 : 236€
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 16, 2014 19:56
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tempting?
that's only one VA synth with such simple architecture on it, it's almost laughable. they say they're going to make an SH 101 plug-in that will run with it. what's the appeal on that? and how will it compare to, say, Lush 101 or Tal's?
bare in mind that the SH 101, besides being a great instrument with a lovely sounding filter, and the possibility of combining multiple waves on a single oscillator, great for arps and sequenced bass and all the 303 kind of sound, plus fx and shit (ufff), is a fairly simple architecture, specially when you put it side by side with the competition, that is: Virus, Nord, UltraNova, so forth and so on. So they're actually selling you a 4 voice VA with not so many features on it (even M-Audio's Venom can eat it for breakfast), promissing some new plug-ins for it in the future, altough they're all based on very simplistic arquitectures, and nothing more... if this was a DSP synthesizer that could load other synthesizers, but with the range of a Nord Modular, yeah, that would be interesting. This just feels like a huge money grab from Roland, nothing to see, really...
Even the TR, I mean, who really needs TR samples? or sounds? or that kind of functionality? D16 group makes near to perfect emulations of those, then there's Spark, then there's like over a bilion packs of 808 or 909 samples out there, that you could make with almost any synthesizer you happen to have to, so... When something like Maschine, MPC, Spark is on the market, why even bother looking at this shit?
Is there a single person here that would rather go with this instead of a XOXBOX + acidlabs miami + SH 101 (for the price I can get the original, thank you)? is there anyone? or the Rubicon osc + some TeeBee filter to go with it and some sequencer? I mean, come on... We can get better Roland sound from non Roland developers these days, while Roland seems specialized in making digital cheap toys whose price is justified - only - by their legacy and a misuse of their classic's names. Rant over
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OzMike
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Posted : Feb 17, 2014 00:41
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I love the Roland sound. For the price of these converted after talking to my local shop they're much cheaper options than many of the emulators like Jomox etc. I prefer hardware & find even using midi to sequence the D16 products to be a pain in the ass both live & at home.
Also in Australia second hand Roland goods go for ridiculous prices. An ok but not mint condition SH-101 for example goes for $1200. A Miami if you can find one goes for close to if not over $2000. A x0xb0x would be $800.
I'd never get the TB-3 but the system-1 & TR-8 are both affordable and will be great for performing live & in studio. It's far to easy to focus on the negatives without keeping in mind not all of us have an easy $10K sitting around to spend on pro audio gear.
Plus I've gotta say that I'm pretty over the whole analog is best debate. Currently I find analog gear needs a lot more care to get perfect results than VA. It'll be nice to have a live setup that works perfect from the moment I switch it on. As for he sounds, ran the Sonic State TR-8 review through my mates Adam monitors and it sound great even at youtube quality. Personally, I don't need any other sound except 808 & 909.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 17, 2014 06:54
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I see your point...
If that's the sound you want, plus you're planning to use it live, then it's certainly a good choice...
however, that doesn't stop me from having an opinion about Roland. don't think this are bad products, they do sound nice and they do have that Roland sound. but I honestly think they're missing the point to some extent. their legacy is paramount and it's not very realistic to present you with a 700€ VA synthesizer with only 4 voices, just because you've invented some new form of analogue modeling thing that you clame can reproduce the behaviour of old classics - that they just happen to have made themselves. (where have I heard this before?)
I do think this is some sort of money grab, it's a marketing stunt more then anything else. I was pleased to see that the TR sounds good and seems to have a nice interface, despite the fact that - with the exception of live usage of this - it doesn't seem to make much sense, as it's not much cheaper then Maschine, that I also think is a much more versatile machine that you can get 808 and 909 sounds out of + many more stuff.
And the XOXBOX is, by all means, a cheap synthesizer that's like the closest you can get to the classic TB. So it's the right choice for those sounds, for those into that sound as well, just like you say, much more so then the TB-3.
This isn't about the old Analogue versus Digital debate. I love digital sound. It's just that so many instruments can make either TB or 808 or 909 sounds, that the differences are a bit overrated, because it's more a cultural thing then something that has to do with the sound - in my opinion of course. So if you're really aiming for that specific sound, or going the extra mile and obsessing about it, nothing wrong with that, but imo you'll be looking to get the exact same thing, or the closest... and Roland doesn't have the edge on that sound, even on their own classics any more. just my opinion
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 17, 2014 10:30
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They don't sound bad to be honest and I like the Tron-esque looks. The TB-3 is the least interesting, the TR-8 looks like a lot of fun and does the slight variation of each sound which will yield some motion in the sound. Also I thought the TR-8 sounded absolutely fine.
I would not buy any of them to be honest, they are not expensive, neither are they very cheap.
Better than the MC line, still not as good as some analog clones, imo.
And yes, Roland sucks, they pissed a brilliant legacy up against the wall. It could have been so much better, but I guess they are not very interested in dance music instruments when they sell thousands of stage pianos to praise the lord.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Feb 17, 2014 19:45
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Yidam
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Posted : Feb 17, 2014 20:54
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Looks like Korg and Arturia took all their good engineers. 
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