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iCon
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Posted : Feb 19, 2014 01:33
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 20, 2014 21:12
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no repect for the 303 creator , our god Tadao Kikumoto ! shame roland  |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 22, 2014 19:33
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nothing to see... I actually don't hate the looks, the matrix colour scheme and all, kind of reminds me of early cyberspace days.
but having such a legacy to work with and not being able to honour it is really a shame.
I see people more interested on either xoxbox or bass bot for the 303 sound and functionality, and I think all of those guys are happy with the level of authenticity they get, no?
as for the 808/909 sound, unless you're planning on using it live, that isn't very practical nowadays where our sets are mostly inside the box and we have things like Maschine that can take you to either yesterday's land or into more futuristic soundscapes in the same package with tons of functionality this new toys from Roland can't touch or even come close to. price difference isn't that much with all that considered.
and who really cares that much for the plug-ins that will come about for the system 1 thing? that keyboard isn't special, there's no pitch and mod wheels (huge mistake!) and you can get 101 sound with Lush or Tal Noise's plug-ins, even the other Roland toy's sound and almost anyone, besides a purist coming close to a mental condition of obsession with these sounds could tell the difference in a mix, I think.
this whole deal, even if it was legitimate reproductions of the old stuff, would have come late imo. but it would still render that emulation's market useless if done right. if this was made with an eye in current evolution of music technology and functionality, it could perhaps launch a new era of analogue Roland that would rock the world.
as it is right now, I feel that getting a xoxbox/tt 303 is worth it for people looking into integrating that old school sound into their mixes and even for using the sequencer with other gear as well, plus the fun of patching it to guitar pedals and rediscovering the joys of the old dawn of EDM. on the drum side, I'd be happy with D16's plug-ins for emulating the 808 and/or 909 sound and functionality, or something like Spark that offers even more drum machine's sound in one package + it's more suited to a modern work flow then Roland's take on it by a large amount.
I see this being tempting to guys who happen to have a lot of money and can't just miss the fun of recreating the old feel with these toys, specially if they happen to have some outdoors sound system and some nostalgic friends who miss the raves of old, besides it's a waste of money and a clever marketing trick where the clever use of semantics plays a big part... ufff... |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 24, 2014 10:52
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hmm looks fine and the price is tempting. They say a lot of things are based on the original old tb 303. Haven't heard this one myself sofar but looking at the responses in this thread it should be worse than other emulators/clones, so I stick to phoscyon
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Medea
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Posted : Apr 24, 2014 19:34
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OzMike
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Posted : Apr 25, 2014 03:43
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It's actually expensive to do, and so the product will be pricey and when ppl can do a cheaper x0xb0x there's not point.
I know many friends who've bought the TB-3 to use live. It's fine in a live setup & if it gets damaged it's not a very expensive loss compared to a real 303 or a high end built emulator which can stay safely to be used in studio productions. For what it is it sounds fine compared to the real thing which I've heard at a friends house, and in a live set I guarantee punters won't notice the difference.
Also the TR-8 is cheap competitively, it sounds great and while I'll never use mine in studio as samples are easier to use there's nothing like playing with it for hours making beat patterns. Last weekend I used it live as part of a quasi live set and it was really fun compared to the Jomox 888 & 999 which I've used before. Cuntus Maximus. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 25, 2014 10:26
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Finally I managed to watch the video klippel has posted. It's a mystery to me why most of you say this box is bad and unprofessional sound.
Just hear at 5:30 that hardcore acid sound.. damn! ^^
What you want more in a 303 raw acid pure sound?
Great thing. To many things on my to buy list for now, but I keep it in mind for latter.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 26, 2014 18:43
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OzMike
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 06:41
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Of course a x0xb0x sounds better d-uh but not everybody has that money nor does everyone wanna use one live.
If I was 18-25 though and on a basic income with everyday costs and wanted some hard gear to make electronic music, why wouldn't I get a drum machine tb-8+tb-3+system-1+voice thingy? You can have an almost complete studio with quality sound for less than a Nord Lead 4 which in comparison isn't much better than the System-1.
And even if Roland do charge for other plug out than the SH-101 it's better than most VSTi's & you cna use it with hardware.
not everyone can afford high end "analog" gear, and there are plenty of actually great musicians making amazing music with nothing at all. I'm 100% behind everything Roland is doing & with the money I've made selling my Sub Phatty am getting most of this gear!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 13:47
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 15:11
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On 2014-04-25 10:26, TimeTraveller wrote:
Finally I managed to watch the video klippel has posted. It's a mystery to me why most of you say this box is bad and unprofessional sound.
Just hear at 5:30 that hardcore acid sound.. damn! ^^
What you want more in a 303 raw acid pure sound?
Great thing. To many things on my to buy list for now, but I keep it in mind for latter.
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Don't think it sounds bad at all from the demos I've listened to. But the point is: the TB is an iconic piece of gear whose price has gone through the roof mainly because of its intrinsic character, the little nuances that only that circuitry could deliver.
So for very similar prices you can have a Virtual Analogue emulation of the TB 303, or you can go with a piece of gear that closely resembles the circuitry used back then, like the XOXbox. I think it's a no brainer |
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 15:29
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Im sticking with my xoxbox i like the idea of the system one sh 101 version, but what i DONT like is that they want me to buy hardware to play a vst, and there are alot of vst sh101 emuatiions out there (some good others awesome) that dont require hardware
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 16:41
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along with some 303 software emulations that sound absolutely fine (if sound is the only thing you are interested).
Bottom line the TB-3 is not bad at all. Do I think it sounds as good as a well built x0xb0x? No.
But it sounds just as good as a very good software emulation and you are basically paying cash for the opportunity to make music using a tactile hardware interface, instead of clicking with the mouse.
So there is no wrong or right answer, its up to the person wanting acid lines, in their tunes, to decide how much they are willing to spend on them. I mean some people spend a couple of grand on a TB-303.
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sento
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Posted : Apr 27, 2014 23:53
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fuck roland! not caring for their old great legacy.. turning on making toys...  |
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OzMike
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Posted : Apr 28, 2014 09:56
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On 2014-04-27 23:53, sento wrote:
fuck roland! not caring for their old great legacy.. turning on making toys...
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What a stupid thing to say. Of course they are not going to invest in overpriced pure analog recreations, there is no profit in that and Korg have proven with the MS-20 that while it can be done cheap the cheap version have issues.
So they made a sensible IMO choice and went digital. I have demo'd a System 1. It sounds great, even in the System 1 setting itself. Easily able to hold itself against the Nordlead 4 for example. Plus you get the SH-101 with it as well which sounded very nice when the store owner let me compare with his actual SH-101.
I"m selling my Sub Phatty for $1100AU. I'm gonna get the System-1 & with the change + savings an x0xb0x. I get what Ive always wanted, the sound of Roland, for less than many mid-level pure analog or virtual analog one offs. unless Korg does an amazing job with their ARP Odyssey which I doubt, they are amking more toys which are being lapped up by silly ppl who thing analog is all that matters.
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