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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 18, 2005 20:59
i dont agree, this is after all an international forum and not everyone has the proper writing and expressive skills in english in order to get their message across. many writers who would write a bit more in their own language are limited to their vocabulary and grammar in english, we do not wish to discriminate or discourage them. also, there is nothing wrong with a short review (unless its used to start a topic), if thats all they have to say, then thats it and its ok.
we also believe that after some time, users who read isratrance on a regular basis are smart enough to distinguish this "bump up" behavior and make their own conclusions.          "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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clown
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Posted : Aug 18, 2005 21:05
Quote:

On 2005-08-18 20:59, Surrender wrote:
i dont agree, this is after all an international forum and not everyone has the proper writing and expressive skills in english in order to get their message across. many writers who would write a bit more in their own language are limited to their vocabulary and grammar in english, we do not wish to discriminate or discourage them. also, there is nothing wrong with a short review (unless its used to start a topic), if thats all they have to say, then thats it and its ok.
we also believe that after some time, users who read isratrance on a regular basis are smart enough to distinguish this "bump up" behavior and make their own conclusions.



okay, great.. then, who draws the line between someone who isn't good in english writing from someone who is?? And how do we know what label's/artists got the CD as promo for the sole purpose of "bumping" up the thread regarding the release from those artists/label's who acctually bought, listend and enjoyed the CD and just felt the need to say "thanks for the great release".. ??

Don't get me wrong, its great to try and avoid usless comments in the review section, but it will be a hard task to determine them, let alone dealing with the problem at hand..

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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 18, 2005 21:14
we dont. you do.           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 19, 2005 03:50
Actually i think forum made for discussion and eventhou not every "great cd" or "must" are general spam i think review section should be more active as discussion about cd with it's weak and strong points while it seems like general agreement on certain fact "bad" or "good". I think Vote poll can increase the productivity of the section while we will "miss" the general agreement words and read reviews and critism only. Moreover large amount of these "agreement words" made by ppl who actually can explain themselfs well in english.

Now slightly i move to another subject which somehow i find connected to what you have said.
We discriminate or/and discourage once certain action taken against certain minority/majority. While experienced members of this forum can probably distinguish whether objective or subjective review made and somehow "rank" reviewers to avoid future spam reading. I agree!

Don't you think Top 10 section has been closed against this statement?
The majority wanted this section to express their feelings in language they know, even "killarg" words are expressions.
Experienced users could distinguishing whether to read certain TOP10 or not by judgement/ranking made once they read the previous same athor review.
Why it was closed then? Don't tell me it was because of traders since you don't know if ppl who review or add some comments acually bought the CD or downloaded it somewhere!
You just did it, because you thought it is right thing to do, so what discrimination we talking about?

just my thoughts!
slug
Slug

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Posted : Aug 19, 2005 15:36
The problem I have is that a lot of the music I own is by friends and people that I know through my work making music. Especially the stuff I like - since you tend to hang out with people who share your tastes etc.

Now if I mostly comment on stuff I like, and I know the people who made it, it can be taken as just pushing the post up for them - which is a problem, since I would really like to tell them and others how I feel. But I guess thats what the promotional section is for

Having said that - I must admit that I get asked quite often to add comments to certain threads - which is not good, and I wont do that.
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 19, 2005 15:57
Slug you not alone, ppl don't quite understand what you mean here but i do! many friends ask me to review their parties/cds/tracks. Some good friend broke to talk with me after i've said i won't review party you played on thus it won't change nothing but will be just endless lame spam, moreover it is against my policy.
I can say that some parties/cds from my friends i do like, but when i compare it to something i like without being friend of it i surely stop to reviewing friends. That's what ppl tend to do, manipulate with meanings! "I like" became very subjective and ugly statement since it express not personal taste but many other things which i don't want to know!
shahar
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Posted : Aug 23, 2005 19:30
Quote:

On 2005-08-19 03:50, Willy Wonka wrote:
Don't you think Top 10 section has been closed against this statement?
The majority wanted this section to express their feelings in language they know, even "killarg" words are expressions.
Experienced users could distinguishing whether to read certain TOP10 or not by judgement/ranking made once they read the previous same athor review.
Why it was closed then?



This is offtopic, but I'll answer you shortly, though if you wanna know more, go search the multitudes of threads on the www.isratrance.com section.

It was closed becaused it generated an atmosphere we didn't want here.
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krelm
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Posted : Aug 24, 2005 13:09
Quote:

On 2005-08-18 20:51, Willy Wonka wrote:
Surrender you can do really simple thing, Reviews section should contain only long reviews.



Maybe it shouldn't be limited to just long reviews, but perhaps it would be a good idea to implement a minimum character count for posts in the Reviews section. Something like 1000-1500 (~300 words) characters minimum to start a review topic, and 400-500 characters (~100 words) minimum to reply. It's long enough to get rid of all the pointless replies like:
"Killlllagrh!!!"
"This CD sucks"
"1000 thanks for your nice words!!!"

However, somebody with even a basic grasp of the english language can still write 100 words.
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Wayan
Midimiliz

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Posted : Aug 28, 2005 13:53
I can understand the problematic with people using this forum as a place to promote their partys, cd or whatever. a forum should be a forum and definately not a market place!
but when i just want to thank all the people spending heaps of time to listen to my cd and writing a review and my honest "THANK YOU GUYS" - which has absolutely nothing to do with promotion or pushing the thread - is deleted... i think thats not fair to the people who are writing the reviews and maybe would be happy to see that the artist is taking care about that! i don't like to rewiev my self for sure. For me the forum is a possibilaty to comunicate with people who like or dislike my music. But it seems that the flow of information is limited on one direction...
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shahar
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Aug 28, 2005 18:38
Well, Wayan, that really sucks, cause this is what the forum is for. I dunno what exactly happened with your post, especially that I haven't been involved with the forum moderation anymore for more than a month, but I can offer an insight.

Based on my past experience with any thread that had anything remote to do with the Boshke ppl, where every single post from someone who likes/dislikes the music gets at least one response from every single person involved with Boshke Beats, I can only assume that your post drowned in the flood and got deleted.

I personally wrote about this so many times to Alex, Misha, Paul and the rest, and to no avail.

Like with most kinds of enforced social codes, those who suffer from enforcing them are many times not the ones who disrespect them.           ---------------------------------------------
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Surrender
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Aug 31, 2005 03:18
we are enforcing a new concept that isnt too much fun to enforce, believe u me wayan. erasing any person's thank you responses is not a fun job... in the back of my mind, every time i erase something i keep thinking: "was this a sincere thank you? was it a bump up? was it maybe both?" since we cannot know, the desicion was to erase it all... after about 3 weeks of this kind of moderation - i think it is the wrong way. i think from now on it will better to let every artist get their thank you post in if they wish and same with the label. after the 1st thank you's by both, there is no reason to thank again... this is now were we decided that it crosses the line and becomes promotional. upcoming releases info is also not the place, but through more careful moderation we will have to decide which is what according to the info and tools available to us. the key is to maintain the "fun" aspect of this section and the isrtrance forum as a whole.
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clown
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Posted : Aug 31, 2005 21:25
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On 2005-08-31 03:18, Surrender wrote:
i think from now on it will better to let every artist get their thank you post in if they wish and same with the label. after the 1st thank you's by both, there is no reason to thank again... this is now were we decided that it crosses the line and becomes promotional.



Great idea.. I think this should solve everyone's problem..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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furthur
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Posted : Sep 3, 2005 08:10
I think it is rather simple. If the thank you comes during the "barrage" of reviews (maybe barrage is a strong word, but you know what I mean), it should not be deleted. If, however, it comes some time after the last review, it is obviously a bump-up.           Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.

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