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shahar
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Mar 28, 2005 11:35
Well, it started since this section started, but lately it becomes more obvious, so I wanted to raise this.

There are many times that labels and artists review stuff they're involved with. Now if it's someone actually starting a review thread of his own stuff, the mods will lock/delete it. But at times it's someone else starting the thread and then people involved with the release add their own review/thoughts.

Now, I think sometimes it can be cool. If you have a track released on a compilation, for example, and want to comment on the rest of it, which you liked/didn't like, it can be alright, but in good taste. There are times when you just feel it's people promoting a release they are involved with, or worse at times, just sucking up to the label owner, etc.

Another thing is when the artists/label people/compilers comment on the comments in the thread. Now on one side, this is great. I mean one of the best things in the forum, I think, which also makes it very special, is that artists and listeners can converse on the music. But again, it seems that some people just answer every single response on the thread, probably to push it up and keep it there for everyone to read and promote themselves like that. This is lame, I think.

I don't even want to mention people having few users and conducting whole conversations between themselves on their own releases (we try to stop this, but it's not so easy, you'd be amazed at the efforts they make).

So what's my point here?

I guess first of all to make you all aware of this. The people just reading, so you can be aware of the difference between real reviews and conversations and promotional ones and develop your opinions about the music reviewed accordingly. And the people doing it to the fact that people can see through it and usually think it's lame.

And second, of course to hear what you think of it all.
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Yuli
Retired

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Posted : Mar 28, 2005 13:14
Shahar u know what I think of it hehe,

I would advise u to stick this thread up so it wont go down and for everyone to see. I doubt tho that it would stick some sense into everyone, but hell - it might do the trick for those that are willing to see things that maybe eluded them for some strange reason.

Guys and Gals, blue or green color except for the 'r.e.s.p.e.c.t' comes also with certain dose of dignity of self..? When some ppl of these colours are going like in market place here, it looks a bit awkward and so easy to see...           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
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Posted : Mar 28, 2005 18:21
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full_on
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Mar 28, 2005 21:57
I agree with Yuli, this thread should be pinned up.

I like reviews, I do reviews of the stuff I buy, for better or worse. That's what this session is for: review stuff you have.

IMO there's at least two kinds of "BAD" reviews (or reviews abut the stuff you don't like):

- The first and unfortunately more common is the: "this is crap", "this sucks" or "this is a waste of plastic" reviews. They are empty reviews, do not add any other info than that the user don't like the review.

- The second type what I call "construtive bad reviews", usually more complete reviews explaining why you were disappointed with the release, like: "I prefer the first album because..." or "on this same style I prefer the xxxxx album, because ..."

But it seems that "construtive bad reviews" are not welcome by Artists and Labels.

I don't think that reviews need to be always positive about the releases, but I think it's much better if they explain a little about the user opinion.

And people reviewing their own stuff adding no info other than "this is a killer release" are not only lame, but also sad, because the whole reason of this session is to collect different opinions, specialy opinions with real info within, so other users can decide if the release is worth buying.
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 21:39
Quote:

On 2005-03-28 11:35, shahar wrote:
Another thing is when the artists/label people/compilers comment on the comments in the thread. Now on one side, this is great. I mean one of the best things in the forum, I think, which also makes it very special, is that artists and listeners can converse on the music. But again, it seems that some people just answer every single response on the thread, probably to push it up and keep it there for everyone to read and promote themselves like that. This is lame, I think.




well well...
I really don't think this is good !

artists should not take reviews too seriously and people should write reviews for their fun and enjoyment, ppl should share thoughts about it with "friends"in the forum and not with customers!!!

this is the main problem of this forum in my opinion.
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Willy Wonka
Inactive User

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Posts :  574
Posted : Aug 5, 2005 23:06
I don't agree with you Kimotor, since i think reviews are critics and objective views (of certain person). This done for enjoyment (why? some enjoy to critisize, some to fuck up, some to write, some to communicate) So basically motives are different.

Why we should review, not just to give our perspective of album or compilation but to make it better in future with weak points topic. Althought it should be kept in proportion. Reviews are one of things which slowly but surely make anything better.
Willy Wonka
Inactive User

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Posts :  574
Posted : Aug 6, 2005 05:26
For topic i have to add, we can't control reason benid review making. Some artists/labels/promoters have different nicknames on forums so you can't wait in paranoia to another one. Half of thread in this section are commercial rather objective. Just take a lot at Yotopia album, thousands of reviews, all saying blast CD as progressive listener and dj i've got this CD from friend who is Yoni's/Tomer's friend, heard it four times and fail to find anything that good. Just ppl not objective, they say Progressive? Israel? Whoah!!!
Isn't that commercial?

It is shamefull to read Yotopia's review when i don't even open mouth about what done leading fullon/dark labels! Which is horrible for trance scene at whole! Sure they can say we just like CD! I can understand that, but calling Yotopia best Israeli progressive trance act or saying it is best progressive CD of the year it is advertising of non quality product.


Common this is progressive, this is what for you fought all these years to have beautiful, non commercial music! So you got it and now you make it sick as other styles? Is that what you want? Then review it objective at least because next time i will push all my anger on other CD ( the reason i didn't on Yotopia's review because they are friends of mine)

This is really ugly IMHO. So try to control you words rather artists/labels reviews which are much more friendly than promoters reviews.
Pavel
Moderator

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Posts :  8630
Posted : Aug 6, 2005 12:17
Well sometimes supporting friends is more important than supporting the scene, the genre or whatever. I have some friends that make music that i don't like, and do you think that i spoil their enthusiasm by writing bad reviews? No, i tell them in private what i think they should do to improve. Definetely not writing in public how bad their music is.
Yes, there are ass-lickers here in the section, and yes there are free loaders that lick the labels asses and get free promos, but try to understand that there are some people that actually enjoy the music. Although several times i fail to understand why they do (Chemical crew releases and the shitty formula full-on).
But! Aside from the numbered ass-lickers (you know who you are) there are some people that enjoy the music. And ofcourse there are some artists' friends that give their friends a very needed support.
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Willy Wonka
Inactive User

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Posted : Aug 7, 2005 04:45
www.Isra.com/guys, you should try something. In Japan it is common to keep bosses alike doll in personal room to express your own feelings about him(boss) without to harm your possition in company or release anger on real human.

So advice, create a section where label managers and artists will express their commercial, unholy feelings about their own products. Then sentences like " I like what i realease and i choose what i release " or " Best of the best in middle east " will sound much more solid. That way you will keep ppl like me without to hurt their feelings and artists/label managers will raise their charisma.

I don't get it, these who write thousands of posts about some shitty CD thinks ppl will buy it? Nah, this not works!
Noise Poison Records
Noise Poison Records

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Posts :  579
Posted : Aug 7, 2005 23:21
I completely disagree with full_on ....
me personally appreciate a constructive bad review more than nothing mentioned ..... and further I am sure that other artists and labels would do so as well ..... the problem is in my opinion, that not many users in here "use" this section in isra and are able to write a review that way its not offending in case they don't like ....


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Butterfly Records
Butterfly Records

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Posts :  161
Posted : Aug 9, 2005 00:55
Quote:

On 2005-08-05 23:06, Willy Wonka wrote:

Why we should review, not just to give our perspective of album or compilation but to make it better in future with weak points topic. Althought it should be kept in proportion. Reviews are one of things which slowly but surely make anything better.

I agree with you here, constructive comments are good to work better each time, but we must also keep in mind that there are souls out there who finds it hard to express them selves in english grammer, not saying that they should try harder then killah and stuff like that, we need those honest reviews both artists and labels, and we also know which are the proper reviews and the ones that they are not, and also I wish to add that label / artists leave a message on your labels of showing thanks and appriciation, but to leave a message every other post to keep ther page up and even replying to yourself and make it whole disgussion on a review is pure lame !           http://studio-construction.blogspot.com/

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Tomer
Yotopia

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Posts :  308
Posted : Aug 12, 2005 03:39
Quote:

On 2005-08-06 05:26, Willy Wonka wrote:
It is shamefull to read Yotopia's review when i don't even open mouth about what done leading fullon/dark labels! Which is horrible for trance scene at whole! Sure they can say we just like CD! I can understand that, but calling Yotopia best Israeli progressive trance act or saying it is best progressive CD of the year it is advertising of non quality product.


Common this is progressive, this is what for you fought all these years to have beautiful, non commercial music! So you got it and now you make it sick as other styles? Is that what you want? Then review it objective at least because next time i will push all my anger on other CD ( the reason i didn't on Yotopia's review because they are friends of mine)

This is really ugly IMHO. So try to control you words rather artists/labels reviews which are much more friendly than promoters reviews.



Willy Wonka , what are u talking about man ??? should we prevent people from posting this thread ?

i agree with shahar's spirit... & i can promise u that we didnt forced anyone to take part on our thread , in fact ,we didnt take part on it ,only to get the true feedback from the users here on our CD.


strange that u say u are our friend...
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Willy Wonka
Inactive User

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Posts :  574
Posted : Aug 12, 2005 16:32
No, mate you shouldn't ask ppl to stop that. I was talking about certain ppl reviewed your CD, not Yotopia guys.
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  1777
Posted : Aug 12, 2005 21:18
I dunno what to say regarding this..

maybe, let me start by saying that it is lame to create multiple accouts and discuss with yourself in your self-created topics. This i will agree on.

Its very hard, however, for me to comment on the rest of this subject, being someone who believes in promotion. This forum is HUGE and has TONS of users.. Some who visit the forum more regularly than others. There are some that come visit once a month, once every two weeks maybe.. Not every member takes the time to scroll throught the many pages of our forums to find that new release they are looking for, or to discouver the new sounds that are out there... A friendly "topic BUMP" now and then can't possibly hurt the scene, nor should it be seen as shameless self promotion... Hell, i've posted many times in my own topic to help promote my upcomming VA. Am i lame for trying to ensure that people hear about my release?? All the artists on my compilation aren't good friends of mine letting me release there tracks for free. There is some money that gets put into this scene, most of which gets lost because of lack of promotion, lack of suport, lack of quality, lack of whatever..

As for ass-licking, well, it is hard to define who is ass-licking and who is just helping there friends out. Personally, i will not write a good review of something i do not like just so the label manager will send me promo. It even happend that i wrote a negative review AFTER getting a promo copy of an album... Well, negative, it was "not my taste" negative..

I am the type that believes in honesty and constructive critisim.. if i post up a new mix, and all my beatmatch's are off, i don't expect people to say its KILLARG stuff.. And often the one's who say "great tunes, but beatmatching sucks" are the one's that get my deepest respects.. for they are the one's who took the time to listen and analise and they know what they are talking about.

anyways, i'm going to get bashed for my "anti-hippy" idea's HAHAH.

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digVS.mushrooms
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  66
Posted : Aug 13, 2005 16:51
i think isratrance needs a label/artist section.
so they could add all the promotion & info they want....
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