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Remuneration to the author (if a DJ plays his track)

aog406
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 18:01:23
How does this issue usually get solved/arranged? What are the generally used approaches/practices?
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 19:32
There are two ways. The main way it's traditionally supposed to work is that the DJ buys the track, and the artist gets paid from that. The second way the artist can get paid is by eg. PRS (in the UK) who distribute license fees paid by venues according to DJ set-lists sent in by DJs.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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aog406
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Posted : Nov 12, 2009 15:06
Thanks a lot.

A couple of questions arise:

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On 2009-11-05 19:32, Colin OOOD wrote:
>> There are two ways. The main way it's traditionally supposed to work is that the DJ buys the track, and the artist gets paid from that.


How can the DJ "buy" a track? Do you mean acquiring a non-exclusive license to play it (for a certain period or number of times)?
What are the usual terms of such an agreement?

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On 2009-11-05 19:32, Colin OOOD wrote:
>> The second way the artist can get paid is by eg. PRS (in the UK) who distribute license fees paid by venues according to DJ set-lists sent in by DJs.


How is the correctness of the "set-lists sent in by DJs" usually controlled?
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 12, 2009 18:58
Welcome to our planet.
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On 2009-11-12 15:06, aog406 wrote:
Thanks a lot.

A couple of questions arise:

Quote:

On 2009-11-05 19:32, Colin OOOD wrote:
>> There are two ways. The main way it's traditionally supposed to work is that the DJ buys the track, and the artist gets paid from that.


How can the DJ "buy" a track? Do you mean acquiring a non-exclusive license to play it (for a certain period or number of times)?
What are the usual terms of such an agreement?


In the last decade, people living on parts of this planet where such things existed purchased objects of their desire, including pieces of plasic called "records" or "CDs" from establishments called "shops". The purchaser would hand over tokens of established value known as "money", and in return would be given the product thus purchased. Nowadays, most CDs and records are sold via virtual, online equivalents of shops which reside on the global network of computers known as the "internet", such as Trackitdown, Saikosounds and Psyshop. In either case, a proportion of the money paid by the purchaser for the product is channeled back to the creator of that product, thereby rewarding them for the work and care they put into making it.

Non-sarcastic answer: Please forgive me, I meant to say "The DJ buys a record on which is pressed a copy of the track, which he is allowed and expected to play in front of as large an audience as he can find".
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On 2009-11-05 19:32, Colin OOOD wrote:
>> The second way the artist can get paid is by eg. PRS (in the UK) who distribute license fees paid by venues according to DJ set-lists sent in by DJs.


How is the correctness of the "set-lists sent in by DJs" usually controlled?


There is a property of the psychological makeup of most humans known as the "conscience". This is an internal process which measures a persons actions against the moral and ethical behavioural norms instilled by their socialisation within society, and which is capable of causing pain or distress to the individual in proportion to the difference between these behavioural norms and their actual actions. Most people find it hard to ignore the warnings from their consciences and will therefore act in a way their society judges to be honest.

Non-sarcastic answer: It's not, it's down to the DJ to be honest.

Seriously though, please forgive the low attempt at humour but these are somewhat basic questions for someone with as many posts on here as you have, to ask. Are you trying to make a particular point?
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Stregone
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aog406
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 12:40
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>>> "The DJ buys a record on which is pressed a copy of the track, which he is allowed and expected to play in front of as large an audience as he can find".
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Buying a CD usually means only "personal use" permission (e.g. in your home, car, etc.), NOT "public performance license" (e.g. playing at a party for which you sell tickets).
Please correct me if I am missing something.


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>>> it's down to the DJ to be honest.


In a perfect world it would probably work



>>> Are you trying to make a particular point?


Just wondering whether it is OK (or wrong) to play a track at a party (with admission for money) without rewarding the author.

aog406
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 12:44
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>>> "The DJ buys a record on which is pressed a copy of the track, which he is allowed and expected to play in front of as large an audience as he can find".


Buying a CD usually means only "personal use" permission (e.g. in your home, car, etc.), NOT "public performance license" (e.g. playing at a party for which you sell tickets).
Please correct me if I am missing something.


Quote:

>>> it's down to the DJ to be honest.


In a perfect world it would probably work

Quote:

>>> Are you trying to make a particular point?


Just wondering whether it is OK (or wrong) to play a track at a party (not on your lawn, but in a club, with admission for money) without rewarding the author.

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 13:22
Apart from the fact I've already explained two ways in which the artist is remunerated, both by the DJ and by the venue, it's an interesting question. What do you think?

Remember that a DJ set in a licensed venue counts as an 'authorised' performance in the eyes of the law, as mechanisms exist to get a potion of the entry fee back to the copyright owner.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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mk47
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 16:39
Normally you play the track on the CD you bought and you give the list of the tracks to the owner of the Location, so he can pay the Authority for the Music Rights in your country, which at the end of the year will make the list of all the music played and will give a % of the income to the main artists ( the most ) and a little % to the others
Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 17:07
okay, i have a lot of cds, and most of them says:

``prohibited copying, hiring, renting, public performance, broadcasting``


so now what?           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 17:26
that public performance thing is quite lame! i dont think the labels that released the music actually thought about it.

When i was working with devils mind we actually had the discussion about it and decided not to put it out.

This is party and it should be played in public performances! (IMHO)
Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 18:58
yeah, as a dj, if i cant play the damn record on a party, why would i bought the cd? if is to listen at home is better to do what any other normal human does and download the track, i buy the records so i can have the wav file to play on a big system. i think the broadcast thing is lame too

anyway, if in their vision is not ok to play in public performance, what they want me to do if i want to play the tracks ? ask for authoriztion for each track i play and pay for it? if i have to play more than i already pay on the cds to play the track, it doesnt make sense to be a dj, causa i would pay more for the tracks then the promoters pay me to play, unless i play the same tracks for a whole year
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aog406
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 21:09
Quote:

On 2009-11-13 13:22, Colin OOOD wrote:
Apart from the fact I've already explained two ways in which the artist is remunerated, both by the DJ and by the venue, it's an interesting question. What do you think?
Remember that a DJ set in a licensed venue counts as an 'authorised' performance in the eyes of the law, as mechanisms exist to get a potion of the entry fee back to the copyright owner.



Not all venues are licensed or/and connected to the mechanism "conducting" the money to the authors (not to mention the fact that organisers can just omit this part - they have many other things to take care of )

And regarding "artist is remunerated, both by the DJ..." -- it is not quite clear why buying a CD for ~15 EUR would entitle the DJ to play the track an unlimited number of times thus generating a (theoretically) unlimited amount of income (both for themselves and for the organisers).
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