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Remuneration to the author (if a DJ plays his track)
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Blink blinK
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Posted : Nov 21, 2009 02:11
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On 2009-11-13 16:39, Stregone wrote:
Normally you play the track on the CD you bought and you give the list of the tracks to the owner of the Location, so he can pay the Authority for the Music Rights in your country, which at the end of the year will make the list of all the music played and will give a % of the income to the main artists ( the most ) and a little % to the others
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Bad idea. What if you don't prepare your set, or at least not the whole of it? I don't think that too many djs would like to write down their set while playing it.
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Just wondering whether it is OK (or wrong) to play a track at a party (not on your lawn, but in a club, with admission for money) without rewarding the author.
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That is the reward. In other words - Promotion.
Quality artists would get more gigs, for example, If more people around the world hear their music. In order to make it happen, they have to make quality music which as many djs as possible would decide to include in their sets.
Think about every quality artist that people will pay a decent sum of money for a party which he takes part in. If a promoter knows that bringing this artist means a big croud, he'll be ready to pay more to that artist.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 19:17
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How is it promotion if no one ever knows who the track is by? Psy doesn't have lyrics and people don't constantly bug the DJ for track names...
Also the idea that artists get paid by their CD being bought is kind of strange... as a DJ there are a lot of times I buy a CD after a first listen, then after a few more listens realize that it's not as good as I initially thought and so I don't play it out. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 11:04
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Okej this is how i would do it!
Just ignore these artist that want money for everything! and take personal contact with the artist you like, ask for a wav and tell him you gonna make a dj set.. and you want to play his/hers track..
Then give the artist a email/PM and tell him the crowd response was to his track!
This will probably not work with most big artist like
OOOD/Voice of cod, GMS, Infected mushroom, Vibe tribe, to name a few, which in fact i dont have a clue how they would react, but judging from Colins post he wouldnt do it...
So if you ever want a Wav from me on some track, just give me a PM or mail and ill hook you up! just be sure to tell me how the crowd liked it and i be happy! 
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 11:17
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OOOD/Voice of cod <-- bad example cause that is one that actually might work 
ie paying for the track not getting waves maybe |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 11:18
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Yeah maybe i was a little harsh.. i could edit the post but to provoke Colin a little would be so much more fun  And i am sure that he knows i dont want to offend him... Maybe ill PM and ask for some tracks! haha
Still OOOD´s quality of production is way better than mine and that might have a price of its own...
Im not saying that you shouldnt by Cd´s or not support artist! im just saying Dj´s and artist Coexists and if they treat eachother good is all good for everybody.. |
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Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 17:42
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but do you think if an artist play for the cd album, he has the right to play all the tracks how many time he/her wish??
cuz most cds tell you that you dont have the right to play it even one time
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 03:18
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On 2009-11-21 02:11, Blink blinK wrote:
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On 2009-11-13 16:39, Stregone wrote:
Normally you play the track on the CD you bought and you give the list of the tracks to the owner of the Location, so he can pay the Authority for the Music Rights in your country, which at the end of the year will make the list of all the music played and will give a % of the income to the main artists ( the most ) and a little % to the others
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Bad idea. What if you don't prepare your set, or at least not the whole of it? I don't think that too many djs would like to write down their set while playing it.
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I'm not saying is a good idea, just is how thw law is in many european countrys, the dj are supposed to fill a paper shit with al the tracks they played, if most don't do that is another story, but like in Italy they do many controls about this and if they catch you without the list I can tell you are going to work a LOT to pay the fine...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 03:30
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Stregone -
Do these controls occur in the middle of the forest aswell?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 05:30
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 12:10
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I'm not saying is a good idea, just is how thw law is in many european countrys, the dj are supposed to fill a paper shit with al the tracks they played, if most don't do that is another story, but like in Italy they do many controls about this and if they catch you without the list I can tell you are going to work a LOT to pay the fine...
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I would be really surprised if that was the case (not saying you are wrong.. just that i would be surprised). Which company/ control institute is doing that?
Because why would they give fines? If they don't know it makes their job even easier, they will just take average numbers of radio/tv playtime and they are ready. Saves them at least an hour of work per dj set!
A friend of mine always fills in his own tracks and tracks of friends of him. Not a bad idea actually to do this to make a little extra. If you do this once it wont make a difference but if all your friends do this on every party it will... But it might not work the same way in every country. |
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 13:00
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Of course if a party is illegal.... the problems are not to write down the tracklist for the SIAE the italian organisation charged by the institution to act as intermediate for the copyright questions...but the cops...
Anyway if you are curious:
http://www.siae.it/
But there is a SIAE in every occidental country, just the laws and procedures are not the same in every country....
And most of the BIG partys or festival are not illegal and there are also many partys in clubs right now.... so those "normally" are intended to make this tracklist.... is also meant to allow the artist who did the music you ar eplaying to be payed....
I'm not saying this is a good way to do it or that I like it... just that it is how is supposed to be for the law
I live in Switzerland and I know here we have the SUISA and as a club you can pay a monthly forfait without regards on which music is played...
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And supergroover why they give fine? Because the law say you have to do this list and if you don't do it, you are going against the law, and yep I also have friends that when they play, they only put tracks of them or of friends which they know they are registered on the copyright institution....
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 14:37
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I understand why they give a fine Just dont think here is a institution that really goes after these lists. If there is no list given they ll just take the average numbers. Which is also what they do if you pay per month for the played tracks. Small artists don't benefit from that at all.. Just Britney and the backstreet boys. |
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Stregone
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Posted : Nov 26, 2009 14:57
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I know but I can tell you in Italy if you don't have the list when they control, you pay a many thousand euros fine... that I know for sure... in other country is not the same, but in Italy is like that
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aog406
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 16:23
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On 2009-11-26 13:00, Stregone wrote:
Of course if a party is illegal.... the problems are not to write down the tracklist for the SIAE the italian organisation charged by the institution to act as intermediate for the copyright questions...but the cops...
Anyway if you are curious:
http://www.siae.it/
But there is a SIAE in every occidental country, just the laws and procedures are not the same in every country....
And most of the BIG partys or festival are not illegal and there are also many partys in clubs right now.... so those "normally" are intended to make this tracklist.... is also meant to allow the artist who did the music you ar eplaying to be payed....
I'm not saying this is a good way to do it or that I like it... just that it is how is supposed to be for the law
I live in Switzerland and I know here we have the SUISA and as a club you can pay a monthly forfait without regards on which music is played...
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Supposing a way to routinely channel money to the authors has been found.
The other issue to solve seems to be determining the amount to pay (per any one track; or for certain tracks).
There are at least 3 points to consider:
1) tracks [~right to play then] by a more "old" and famous project are likely to cost more that those of some "young" musician;
2) a musician (whether young or old) himself can evaluate the right to play his track and is not willing to agree to license it for less;
3) one track of the same musician could be more of a "hit" than another one and therefore should cost more.
How are such issues usually solved?
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 00:24
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All these laws are not ment for us. They were ment for cover bands and bars with live bands, juke boxs,and things that play songs that are in the main stream ... and charge to enter the establishment that means they make money off others music.
Other wise we would have 1000's of Beatles coverbands making money off thier songs. We dont have cover djs who play only 1 producers music so nobody is loosing out. If you buy your music from the artist or label than your paid up for use.
If you only played Infected mush for everyshow and people started to actually pay you for it then you will probably have issues from somebody at the label or some kind of legal representation but who would do that?
We are kind of in a grey area...
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