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HIKARI
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Mar 30, 2004 16:32
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well this is a place to express how you feel freely. I am personally against calling people names n all.
Well about this party, MY OPINION, i am glad that the security is doing their job. Whats the use for security in a club if they just check for people sneaking in drinks.@I am very happy that they are getting strict with the regulations, now maybe the scene will once again become more peaceful. I wish they could now just give the security people enough power to kick out all Mafia related people.
Kenji you have to admit that doing drugs at a party isnt right. Yes there are a lot of people who do drugs at a party, i guess you were just the unlucky one who got caught.
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maqueite/Eternox
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 00:07
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On 2004-03-26 17:51, goa-ganges wrote:
Kenji, the worst parties I've ever been in my life were in Brazil. That's one of the sickiest scenes in the world, thanks to attitudes like yours.
Brother, if your problem is with kenji, stay with him, but don't talk bullshit about Brasil! of course like any place else we have bad partyes but in only 2 months have artists like:
absolum, haldolium, Raja Ram, Logic Bomb, Tripytch, neuromotor, sub6, bamboo forest, pixel, Eskimo, Infected Mushroom,Atomic Pulse, Pop Stream, Apocalipse, 1200 mic, CPU, GMS, Sun project, Paste and many more that I excuse to forgot!! If it is the sickiest secene in the world, how can the world's best acts came here ?!?!? We love to receive ppl from all over the world and show them our good vibes and happynes that's only here in Brasil, and I hope to know the good vibe that only exists in Japan! Just ask right ppl witch party to come and have a amazing time here!!!
easy guy...easy
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 31, 2004 02:09
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Oh man...things must have changed since I was in Japan (1999,2000), the last of the 'underground' years I guess! I have seen some rather famous musicians take pills and smoke spliffs on-stage. Sorry it's gotten so strict!
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SkyBluGoa
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Posted : Apr 1, 2004 02:37
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Seems like some of you guys are from the moon or something! I live in NY and security is pretty bad here... but some one watching me in the toilet from the top of a cabin? Noooo, sorry, but it's way too much. Whatever I'm doing in there it's my business and I don't care who's property it is. I personaly don't take drugs, but it's my own choice, some others do and it's theire choice and that's the only way it should be. This scene is about freedom and spirituality.
Old Skool, if you're in this scene since 92, maybe you were sleeping at this parties most of the time and didn't see what's going on there? I've been to lots of places all over the world and can honestly tell you, that at list 80% of all the partyers use drugs. Never been to Brazil, but as long as I know it's one of the best places for trance parties and one of the most favorites of all the artists. Another one is Japan. BTW all japanese people I know, use illegal drugs on the parties heavily, here in NY and in Tokyo as well.
My suggestion to people who don't like the way psy trance goes, swith the scene - like House - you can use legal drugs there no problem, as much as your heart wishes --- lots of alcohol and more alcohol! So good luck!
 I don't know, but I've been told, if you keep on dancing you won't grow old. |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Apr 1, 2004 03:43
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Wow! Imagine someone taking ....drugs....at a party with Hallucinogen or 1200 Micrograms. it doesn't sound inappropriate to me!
I think it's also Ironic that it was the "Iboga Tour", Iboga also being the name of a strongly hallucinogenic african plant.
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sorry that the party scene in Tokyo has become this strict and crazy!
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Old Skool
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Posted : Apr 1, 2004 05:57
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I know exactly how the trance scene goes.
If I need to explain things a bit more precisely I will be happy to do so.
Well BlueSkyGoa I am talking about the general careless actions by people attending parties nowadays. They are not careful enough of their actions. Too much people make it so obvious of what they are doing.
Which leads to stricter security and more and more realization from the police. Police will start searching crowds going to certain clubs just because they are going to that specific club. Spliffnik wrote a topic on cube which is a good example.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/30195/forum/16
Personally I am disgusted of the Japanese trance scene right now because:
1) They are putting overground parties just for the money attracting just kids with no sprit of trance
2)People which attend trance parties make it so obvious what they are doing which just leads to more pressure from the police.
Someday it will be very possible for the Japanese government to make a law banning trance parties. Making it illegal.
Now trance parties 12 years ago were strcitly underground because it was runned by smart people attracting very classy people.
These people knows whats up and play the game smart. Places where the true trance
spirit was HIDED from the public. To prevent it from getting to a situation as of the Japanese trance scene is today.
Yes people are screwing things up big time.
Yes I took 2000 pills and 1000 tabs and was not asleep but watching the scene very closely. I simply love the scene and is very sad for me watching people screwing it up.
Use your head people. |
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Kaatisu
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Posted : Apr 1, 2004 20:24
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Kenji, what happened to you was bad, but you should consider yourself lucky there were no police involved. Here are a few more opinions....
Is Stargate to blame for your story? - no.
Is Womb a good venue for a Stargate event? - no.
Do I like a smoke at a party? - yes.
Would I smoke in the bathroom at Womb? - no.
Would I even go to a party at Womb? - not likely.
Do big name DJs still smoke on stage in Japan? - yes.
Do big name DJs smoke on stage at Womb? - not likely.
Kenji, I sympathize but we have to use discretion and good judgement. Without those we need good luck. You had bad luck (at the very least).
Wasn't it you, Kenji, who recently warned us of busts at Cube326 and said 'the police are onto us' (I may be wrong). Anyway, be smart! Be safe! Have fun!
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Apr 3, 2004 10:49
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Well, I will be brief in here. Kenji was wrong from the beginning. He was really lucky for not getting arrested - and possibily deported from Japan - by the police. Imagine you spend a lot to organise a party...sure you not want problems in the dance floor - any doubts about this?
Kenji good luck for you. Really. You will need it.
peace and love. |
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Apr 3, 2004 20:16
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Lucky? Arrested? Deported? Come on, awake up! You really dont know how club scene works right? If the Club call the cops, They have trouble dude. Lots of, the club can be closed! And if the staffs are looking desperate for drugs, is because they need it.
What kind of problem in the dance floor are U talking about??
Of course I didnt smoke inside the toilet! this , yes, is really stupid!
ps: Did you ever seen a psytrance party without drugs? No
Did you ever seen a psytrance party where chandan insence is not alowed?? No
Did you ever seen security staffs spying the toilets from the top of a cabin? No
Did you ever seen in a party more security staffs than people in the dance floor? No
Did you know that many people use illegal substances inside the toilet cabin? ... ...
This is Womb!
"...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Apr 3, 2004 22:39
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On 2004-04-03 20:16, Kenji Dub wrote:
Lucky? Arrested? Deported? Come on, awake up! You really dont know how club scene works right? If the Club call the cops, They have trouble dude. Lots of, the club can be closed!
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I don't mean any offense to you personally, but if you actually if you think that that is the case, then you should really study up on Japanese culture some more. Having a few Japanese police officers as friends and knowing several more through college, I can tell you with some certainty that Japanese police overlook ALOT (hell Japanese police are some of the biggest law breakers I know personally).
If a club occassionaly offers someone up to the police for them to arrest, etc, the police will often overlook a lot other things that go on there because it makes everyone look good. The cops get to arrest some bad guys, the club gets to look like its following the law to the letter and not get harrassed too much and everyone is happy.
Its just like how prostitution is technically illegal in Japan but there are a million places where you can pay a lot of money for a massage and the girl giving it will just happen to "like" you and have sex with you because she "likes" you for free (you are only paying for the massage after all). The police fully know what's going on (heck, I know a few who go to such places), but since the appearance of the law being upheld is there, they don't do much about it.
The psy-scene in particular is causing trouble for itself by simply being too open about things like drugs. There is simply too much happening to ignore and I wouldn't be surprised one bit if in particular the clubs that are being watched closely start willingly handing over all kinds of people if only to insure that they can stay open. In all honesty I saw this huge crackdown coming the minute the Japanese government finally made shrooms illegal. I can understand people wishing things were like the old days where a little discretion was all you needed, but people need to realize those days are gone and you need to either adapt to the way things are now or realize you are going to get caught and end up in some serious trouble eventually.
Best regards,
Jikkenteki
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hoffman angels
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Posted : Apr 5, 2004 20:14
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kenji,im with you,you should have done it in a diferent way,you just unlucky(not stupid) .
security are doing there job,but sometimes its to much,its just beeter not to get to this things to happend. |
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Katapult
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 03:16
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No. I beg to differ. I think his reaction to this is stupid. Drugs are illegal. If you are doing drugs in a club (regardless if you do them on the dancefloor or locked away in the bathroom) your chances of getting caught are much much higher than if you do them in your living room. If you get caught, accept the consequences and don't whine about it. It was your choice to do them in the first place. Just because other parties you have been to in the past overlooked drug use just means you were lucky, not that doing drugs at those parties was legal.
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Kenji Dub
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 13:58
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Of course wanst legal!
But YES was TOLERATED!
Where is your party spirit man?
The party location should be a place where we could enjoy trance music, dance, smile sharing the vibe with people and specially, feel free WHATEVER the way it is.
Why to get inside THE SYSTEM if trance music purpose is to take we out of the system?
I think nobody goes to a club intending to do bad things or criminal acts , but if there was a place where we can be ourself and see that the SYSTEM forbid many things that shouldnt be. This place is a trance party!
Since old times in GOA!
Stay with your RULES, and I still with the trance vibe, the FREEDOM.
peace!
"...Life must to be a preparation for transition to another dimension..."
Kenji Dub |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 15:38
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yeah an indoor trance party is kind of like an oxymoron- you cannot find the freedom you seek in clubs with security guards, etc.
on a side note, I think this problem comes down to one issue- do you think it is okay for people to be able to stare at you while you are in the bathroom?? Reguardless of if it is private property, dont you think a person should have privacy in a bathroom stall??
IMO, I think you should not have someone watching you when you are taking a shit man! someone watching from above, that is a bit creepy. Do they have these security guards watching the girls bathroom too?? If I was a female, I would have a big problem with some male security guard watching me do my business.
So yes Kenji you probably were wrong to expect the freedom you would find at an outdoor inside a club, especially one like womb.
But also all those people calling kenji names and saying he is an idiot, I think you guys are too quick to judge him the way you did. Go ask ten friends if they think it is reasonable to have someone watching down on you in a bathroom stall. For Kenji to assume he had privacy in a bathroom stall is reasonable, so even though that wasnt the case here, he does not deserve to be called an idiot for making a simple assumption most people would make.
I am not talking about drugs at trance parties, etc. Just the issue of privacy. I could see having a camera in the bathroom where the urinals and sinks are, but IMO someone watching inside a bathroom stall from above is going a bit too far. What do you guys think about that? This is the bottom line- if you think it is okay for serveillance in stalls, then you rightfully can disagree with Kenji. If you think this is wrong and you should indeed have privacy in stalls, then you cannot disagree with his point, at leat you have to understand where he is coming from. Me, I think it is wrong for serveillance in bathrooms, and since most ppl I have talked to also didnt think stalls would be watched, I cannot blame Kenji. (but besides the privacy issue, Kenji you cannot expect the freedom you talk of at an indoor party that is not underground)
interested to hear what you all think on this issue of privacy.
-bOOm-
spliffnik
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SkyBluGoa
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 03:27
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I absolutely agree with you, Spliffnik and I already answered to this post. There is NO WAY I'll let anybody watch me in the bathroom. It's my privacy and I don't care who you are -- even if you're a president, I still wont let this happen and it's my right!!!!
But what also surprises me, is that all this people, who call Kenji names are TRANCERS! Can you believe that? Because I can't. Looks like they were born yesterday and go to the wrong (deferent) parties, not to the PSY TRANCE parties, otherwise they wouldn't be bitching about it.
I don't know, but I've been told, if you keep on dancing you won't grow old. |
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