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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 13:53
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On 2012-06-26 11:59, Adigroovy wrote:
honestly what can you expect of someone who is in army?? brainwashing ...by mass media (religious institutions) etc is much worst then most of the substances you talked about.....
indeed if you know how to find this site you should be able to find other informative sites on substances and theur connection with the creativity ....
The problem I have with this statement is that it is so one sided. One can argue that religion brainwashes people but then one can say the same for the pro-drug brigade.
Saying that one group are wrong and brainwashing and that your group or viewpoint, is the right one, sounds all to familiar. You make drug use sound like a religion.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 14:13
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On 2012-06-22 22:51, sigil wrote:
drugs and musicians (in fact artists in all media) have always been a pretty common mix... its certainly not something unique to psytrance or even electronic music in general.
If it disappoints you to think that the people writing the music you love take or have taken drugs please also be sure to avoid artists such as
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
Lou Reed
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Ella Fitzgerald
Eric Clapton
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Joni Mitchell
Santana
Sting
Ray Charles
Primal Scream
The Prodigy
Neil Young
Guns n Roses
Fleetwood Mac
Pink Floyd
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
James Brown
.....you get the idea... the list gets longer and longer.
In fact its MUCH harder to make a list of musicians who haven't ever used drugs! Especially good ones
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 14:24
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On 2012-06-26 14:13, Djones wrote:
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On 2012-06-22 22:51, sigil wrote:
drugs and musicians (in fact artists in all media) have always been a pretty common mix... its certainly not something unique to psytrance or even electronic music in general.
If it disappoints you to think that the people writing the music you love take or have taken drugs please also be sure to avoid artists such as
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
Lou Reed
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Ella Fitzgerald
Eric Clapton
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Joni Mitchell
Santana
Sting
Ray Charles
Primal Scream
The Prodigy
Neil Young
Guns n Roses
Fleetwood Mac
Pink Floyd
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
James Brown
.....you get the idea... the list gets longer and longer.
In fact its MUCH harder to make a list of musicians who haven't ever used drugs! Especially good ones
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
Very true.
I am quite a Bill Hicks fan, but I don't take everything he says literally.
What was interesting, was finding out that he actually wasn't a big user of cannabis at all. He was very much into his mushrooms but apparently smoked very little pot.
Or how, according to George Martin, the Beatles would sneak off and have a spliff and come back and play quite badly.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 15:57
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On 2012-06-26 14:24, treetrunks wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 14:13, Djones wrote:
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On 2012-06-22 22:51, sigil wrote:
drugs and musicians (in fact artists in all media) have always been a pretty common mix... its certainly not something unique to psytrance or even electronic music in general.
If it disappoints you to think that the people writing the music you love take or have taken drugs please also be sure to avoid artists such as
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
Lou Reed
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Ella Fitzgerald
Eric Clapton
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Joni Mitchell
Santana
Sting
Ray Charles
Primal Scream
The Prodigy
Neil Young
Guns n Roses
Fleetwood Mac
Pink Floyd
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
James Brown
.....you get the idea... the list gets longer and longer.
In fact its MUCH harder to make a list of musicians who haven't ever used drugs! Especially good ones
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
Very true.
I am quite a Bill Hicks fan, but I don't take everything he says literally.
What was interesting, was finding out that he actually wasn't a big user of cannabis at all. He was very much into his mushrooms but apparently smoked very little pot.
Or how, according to George Martin, the Beatles would sneak off and have a spliff and come back and play quite badly.
Not sure where did you find that Bill Hicks wasn't into Marijuana but he was into it very very much.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 16:10
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On 2012-06-26 15:57, Pavel wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 14:24, treetrunks wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 14:13, Djones wrote:
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On 2012-06-22 22:51, sigil wrote:
drugs and musicians (in fact artists in all media) have always been a pretty common mix... its certainly not something unique to psytrance or even electronic music in general.
If it disappoints you to think that the people writing the music you love take or have taken drugs please also be sure to avoid artists such as
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
Lou Reed
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Ella Fitzgerald
Eric Clapton
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Joni Mitchell
Santana
Sting
Ray Charles
Primal Scream
The Prodigy
Neil Young
Guns n Roses
Fleetwood Mac
Pink Floyd
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
James Brown
.....you get the idea... the list gets longer and longer.
In fact its MUCH harder to make a list of musicians who haven't ever used drugs! Especially good ones
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
Very true.
I am quite a Bill Hicks fan, but I don't take everything he says literally.
What was interesting, was finding out that he actually wasn't a big user of cannabis at all. He was very much into his mushrooms but apparently smoked very little pot.
Or how, according to George Martin, the Beatles would sneak off and have a spliff and come back and play quite badly.
Not sure where did you find that Bill Hicks wasn't into Marijuana but he was into it very very much.
One of several documentries made after his death. Friends and family verified that contrary to his stand up he was not really into marijuana, he much preferred mushrooms.
His stand up show is comedy. Pavel, surely you can understand that things are exaggerated for comic effect and that some things may not be true?
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 18:14
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On 2012-06-26 13:53, treetrunks wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 11:59, Adigroovy wrote:
honestly what can you expect of someone who is in army?? brainwashing ...by mass media (religious institutions) etc is much worst then most of the substances you talked about.....
indeed if you know how to find this site you should be able to find other informative sites on substances and theur connection with the creativity ....
The problem I have with this statement is that it is so one sided. One can argue that religion brainwashes people but then one can say the same for the pro-drug brigade.
Saying that one group are wrong and brainwashing and that your group or viewpoint, is the right one, sounds all to familiar. You make drug use sound like a religion.
It's not about being pro-drug. My concern was first about generalizing about drugs, it's about facts and science.
Drugs have been studied and many of their effects well acounted for, a well as their likehood of creating physical or psychological adiction. It's not an obscure field at all, there is plenty of academic literature out there. Thta's why there is a medical clasification for them by the kind of effects they produce, there had been also some attempts at ranking them by "harm" and adiction potential. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5230006.stm
And religion in the other hand speaks about drugs from a moral point of view. Mass media too.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 19:05
The notion that drugs are well studied and that we fully understand them is, frankly, quite ridiculous. We just don't really know enough about the human brain to make such claims.
"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything." Thomas Edison
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 21:25
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On 2012-06-26 16:10, treetrunks wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 15:57, Pavel wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 14:24, treetrunks wrote:
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On 2012-06-26 14:13, Djones wrote:
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On 2012-06-22 22:51, sigil wrote:
drugs and musicians (in fact artists in all media) have always been a pretty common mix... its certainly not something unique to psytrance or even electronic music in general.
If it disappoints you to think that the people writing the music you love take or have taken drugs please also be sure to avoid artists such as
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Bob Dylan
Lou Reed
Led Zeppelin
Miles Davis
Nina Simone
Ella Fitzgerald
Eric Clapton
Tool
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Joni Mitchell
Santana
Sting
Ray Charles
Primal Scream
The Prodigy
Neil Young
Guns n Roses
Fleetwood Mac
Pink Floyd
Nirvana
Black Sabbath
James Brown
.....you get the idea... the list gets longer and longer.
In fact its MUCH harder to make a list of musicians who haven't ever used drugs! Especially good ones
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
Very true.
I am quite a Bill Hicks fan, but I don't take everything he says literally.
What was interesting, was finding out that he actually wasn't a big user of cannabis at all. He was very much into his mushrooms but apparently smoked very little pot.
Or how, according to George Martin, the Beatles would sneak off and have a spliff and come back and play quite badly.
Not sure where did you find that Bill Hicks wasn't into Marijuana but he was into it very very much.
One of several documentries made after his death. Friends and family verified that contrary to his stand up he was not really into marijuana, he much preferred mushrooms.
His stand up show is comedy. Pavel, surely you can understand that things are exaggerated for comic effect and that some things may not be true?
I've seen all of his documentaries and I've read one book about his life by his best friend Kevin Booth, everywhere it's mentioned his love for Marijuana and different hallucinogens. No idea where did you read that he didn't enjoy Marijuana as much as you say he did
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Drugs...they are what they are - substances that alter your mind. That's all there is to it, they're as good (or evil) as *YOU* the user makes them to be.
I got into psytrance when I was 14 listening to Juno Reactor's Acid Moon. Back then I vowed never to take drugs because "I get high off the music".
I still can and often do get high off music, but drugs can take you places beyond that. I got my mind blown in amazing ways taking all kinds of drugs and mixing them with different types of music, I learned a lot of stuff that I'll never forget and really changed my life for the better. It's not a popular thing to say but I actually encourage drug use.
Take drugs, forget the "good" or "evil" bias. Just do your research on how to keep safe and treat them with respect. Once you know that, just go with it, enjoy it and learn from it.
Music and drugs go hand in hand for me, if drugs didn't change music I wouldn't take them, my love for music and hearing new things is what makes me take them. I don't drink alcohol or take cocaine because I think their effects on music just aren't good enough.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2012 22:41
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I've seen all of his documentaries and I've read one book about his life by his best friend Kevin Booth, everywhere it's mentioned his love for Marijuana and different hallucinogens. No idea where did you read that he didn't enjoy Marijuana as much as you say he did
I didn't read it, it was mentioned in the documentary that came with a DVD of his that I bought.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2012 00:22
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On 2012-06-26 14:13, Djones wrote:
many of these artists used to be addicts, not something they are very proud of.
Absolutely and | certainly never meant to suggest that all drugs or drug use/abuse are a good thing.... my point merely was that if someone is going to be disappointed with musicians who've used drugs they're going to have a lot of disappointment with musicians.
For what I see as more positive outcomes from more positive drugs a great example Kary Mullis who won the Nobel prize a few years ago for a major breakthrough in genetics, that he said came partly through visualising himself sat on a strand of DNA while tripping on LSD.... (if I remember correctly).
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@treetrunks
The problem is that you have a black/white perspective on drugs. There is a whole world of gray in between.
And basically you came here to ask about drugs and psytrance and instead of taking every opinion as one you try to refute it based on moral ground.
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@treetrunks
The problem is that you have a black/white perspective on drugs. There is a whole world of gray in between.
And basically you came here to ask about drugs and psytrance and instead of taking every opinion as one you try to refute it based on moral ground.
My English must be really bad if you think that.
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Even people that are against drugs often take drugs.. Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol for example are just as 'drugs' as mdma or marihuana. Only difference is they are socially 'accepted'. It doesnt make em less intense, addictive or dangerous.
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@supergroover - indeed
@treetrunks:
nothing one sided, I just point out to get informed better before qualifieng all the drugs as a same package ...
and for sure there is other side of the coin, there is a big difference on what they tell you in school or at the church or on fox news (morality, good and bad) then the conclusion one can make when discovers other side of the things or other point of view through some psycoactive substance....
the abuse of anything is dangerous, be it caffeine or alcohol or tobacco or acd ....
and the things as you are mentioning and generalizing all is a bit narrowminded,
do not forget what for you is being expereinced as bad for the othe van be the best life changing experience or medicine of his live ) it;s all about balans....
to use your head you have to go out of your mind
) it;s all about balans....