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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 10, 2005 13:40
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This is getting very silly, but it seems that its the only level of conversation you enjoy.
So...I'll make your search a bit easier for you.
Open Word, type intelligent, right click on the word, go to synonyms and have a look.
You forgot to give me some insight on the good acid. Be all "PLUR" and let us know mate?
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Dec 10, 2005 19:32
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its the only level of conversation we 2 are able tohave..lets be honest with each other :you dont accept the slightest possibility that things might be different than what u so intensely believe. that alone doesnt give ground to a healthy conversation ,does it mate?
and why so obsessed with Word man?I mean I gave u the definitions for those words(intelligence,cleverness)-made the distinction clear to you,and u tell me to check word? (try defining them on google-that's "define:intelligence"
well to conclude i dont believe u can participate in a helthy argument mate,as soon as u get cornered u start talking crap.
stop that and get to the point or there is no need ,obviously, for this to go on.
the reason y I kept it going was that i was hoping we could reach a "common "point of view but u are so stubborn mate...You are getting silly...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 10, 2005 22:02
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Whatever...
Bickering aside, there were some good points that polyester and atlantic ark made and this good thread is going to waste. Lets just agree to disagree on that one and move on.
The thing is that you ask questions like "imagine what if people started speaking to trees besides me...who would be mad then?" You see most people dont do that kind of stuff. That is simply the reality of things and when you come out like that you show that you are out of touch with reality.
Like I said acid deserves no glorification because it is not the holy grail when it comes to exploring our inner selves. I believe that people give a crude hallucinogen much more credit than it deserves. You can touch deep realms of the mind without any hallucinogenics at all. LSD is just a hallucinogen. You do get high, the world does appear differenet, but outside your personal smeared perception of your surroundings, everything is exactly the way it was before you dropped a couple. The world you experience is not real. It is your mind playing beautiful triks on you and nothing more.
Now there is nothing wrong with enjoying those beautiful tricks, but one should always be able to draw a line, because when you have a hard time doing so, that is when you are in trouble.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 00:37
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Now there is nothing wrong with enjoying those beautiful tricks, but one should always be able to draw a line, because when you have a hard time doing so, that is when you are in trouble.
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i must say i am with you all the way on that
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and yeah lets move on.
it was fun talking about it with u though//
take care man
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Polyester Corespun
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 00:58
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Excellent!
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Posted : Dec 11, 2005 19:40
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because this thread took a weird route at some point (trying to give definitions of what is real and not, among others) before letting out some really interesting and true statements, i have summed up what i find the actual essence of this topic during the last pages:
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On 2005-12-09 12:14, atlanticark wrote:
To me there is no denial that at some point in our lifes we need to deconstruct this reality, to move beyond that even temporarily in order to understand ourselves, find deeper ways of identification and, ultimately discover our personal truth. Some people (myself not included) have been helped in this process by the use of psychoactives. I see no wrong in that as long as they understand that psychoactives may be the vehicle in taking you somewhere and not the destination itself.
It is not an easy journey and many people, unfortunately too many within our music circle, were lost somewhere on the way.
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u say it yourself, SOME ppl have been helped and IMHO they should concider themselves lucky. but because the majority has not been actually helped and also that both the former and the latter all agree sooner or later that they are better off without it (acid i mean), i believe the conclusion for everyone should be to play safe and say "NO" since the very beginning...
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On 2005-12-09 13:08, Polyester Corespun wrote:
Cause in the first case we’re dealing with a sane person who knows before using the substance that what he’s going to experience is different from what he sees in his everyday life. And when the trip is over he’s the same sane person to tell you that he was talking with the trees but of course he knows that this was only a temporary situation that could not happen in his daily routine with no use of chemicals. He IS capable to distinguish between the two states, whereas the insane cannot because the talking trees are a constant situation of his perception, it’s the ONLY reality he knows.
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tell me really how many people you know or have actually met that are REALLY able to make that distinction before, during and after they take lsd... i will answer for you, they can be counted on the fingers of a single hand! that's where information, education and prevention comes in play to actually be found useful in this matter.
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On 2005-12-09 14:33, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
I brought up the strict scientific view because it is the crude fact that hallucinogenics, make you...hallucinate, just that.
If someone wants to explore their inner depths of conciousness through fake realms made up of chemical compounds, they are free to do so.
atlantic ark pointed out (and wisely so) that acid is only a means to an end and I partly agree. But its no holy grail. Its no sure shot, the way is tricky and hides a lot of danger, just like everything else in life and deserves no glorification. It is blatant testimonies about acid being a larger world that I oppose. That larger world is not the substance it self.
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demystification. that's what lsd needs. there is a whole movement trying for years now to pass on the idea that acid is the "holy grail" (as e-tard says), the ultimate drug, or not even a drug. you will be surprised to know how many kids actually believe that lsd will make them talk to aliens or other "beings", that they will find answers to what's been bothering their teenager minds once they take that blotter...
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On 2005-12-10 22:02, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Like I said acid deserves no glorification because it is not the holy grail when it comes to exploring our inner selves. I believe that people give a crude hallucinogen much more credit than it deserves. You can touch deep realms of the mind without any hallucinogenics at all. LSD is just a hallucinogen. You do get high, the world does appear differenet, but outside your personal smeared perception of your surroundings, everything is exactly the way it was before you dropped a couple. The world you experience is not real. It is your mind playing beautiful triks on you and nothing more.
Now there is nothing wrong with enjoying those beautiful tricks, but one should always be able to draw a line, because when you have a hard time doing so, that is when you are in trouble.
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exactly like e-tard says, if you want to explore your inner self, reach a higher state of mind or trully know yourself, there are other ways than drugs for doing so. or if you like better, there MUST be other ways of doing so, or else we all have to admit that -in the end- the human mind is not as powerful as we like to think it is. and that we are doomed to be 'slaves' of substances when and if we want to "evolve" as beings, "broaden" our perceptions, "taste" the different. and that's pathetic IMHO and i simply refuse to accept it!
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 12, 2005 13:51
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On 2005-12-11 19:40, XrTC wrote:
there MUST be other ways of doing so, or else we all have to admit that -in the end- the human mind is not as powerful as we like to think it is. and that we are doomed to be 'slaves' of substances when and if we want to "evolve" as beings, "broaden" our perceptions, "taste" the different. and that's pathetic IMHO and i simply refuse to accept it!
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Well said xrtc!
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Dec 12, 2005 18:59
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fair enough.
I have to say I think defferently-anyone else who does so as well?
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VRIL GIA
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 15:19
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i think that psychedelic come from your inside and tou don"t have to take a substance to experience the music...
but anyone has the right to do what ever he want....
just stay psychedelic....
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Schizomorph
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 10:38
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Hmm, that's a nice thread.
Psy_mystic, I can totaly see where you're comming from. The whole thing about different mentality between UK and greece as well as your opinion on the acid debate.
Recently I saw this film (What the bleep do we know)that I wish I could play to everyone involved in this conversation. It has nothing to do with acid, it just debates reality from - both - scientific and phylosophical perspectives. One of the main conclusions I drew is that reality is dependant on the observer(this is actually based on quantum physics). We have this thing called common reality but that is a convention. Something like the average family with the 1.8 clidren.
Unfortunately people want to believe that reality is some solid think and that brings many conflicts.
Since this is the greek section I will refer to ancient greece for my answer to this topic. Back in the days of ancient greece, they believed that there is no point trying to tell someone something he doesn't want to know. They considered it a waste of time. For people with an interest in the metaphysical, they had the mysteries (like the orphic, eleusinian etc.) where the high priests or whatever levieled they cosmic mysteries to the initiealted in a ceremony with music dancing and as rumored substances(I hope you can see where I'm getting at).
Religions always believed in a reality with multiple levels where several phases of initiation take you from one level to the other. And in most religions it was not allowed to reveal secrets of high levels to uninitiated people.
This saved ancient greeks from debating whether the use of substances is a good thing or not and made sure that any substances that can open doors of perception are used by the right people and under the right guidance in a manner acceptable by society.
In my opinion it is dangerous to open doors of perception without the phylosophical background. It is also pointless although very very amusing(for me) to use such substances for entertainment.
On the other hand, the wholle thing about the laws trying to protect me makes me sick. I think you can burn many more braincells in a job you hate and badly paid, worrying than you burn by partying and doing drugs (I'm talking about ocasional use here, if you do it regularly I would advise you to have sometime off and see a shrink -justincase:-).
If the state wanted to protect you or even cared for you, it would educate you and let you free to chose.
Greeks were never backward people(opis8odromikoi) but the narrow mindedness of modern greeks is really worrying me. Where is all the spirit gone? Working overtime and watching anita pania? If you have a problem, look into history, chances are that other people had similar problems and you can learn a lot from them, It's like when you have a technical problem and you look through forums to find the solution.
Anyway, I went off on one. To conclude this thing I started, psychedelia (experesion of the soul) should be a protected human right. If people use drugs for their psychedelic properties, they should be protected and not criminalised.
We need more voices and more options in today's society and since we have built all these machines for communicating (internet etc.) we should use them to open our minds.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 20:17
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hey Schizomorph nice to see some support for this old forgotten thread 
i read your comments and i must say that what u said about grreks never being backward ppl is like a splinter stayung under the skin ,uknow?I mean ancient greeks have done and said remarkable things that we still apply nowdays globally! i am reading a book by Jostein Gaarder called ''sophie's world'' ,its a little story about a teenage girl who's being introduced to philosophy.The book itself is light and easy to ready and just about perfect for anyone not into the "techicalities" of philosophy - terms,periods etc.. - Naturally there are many pages referring to ancient greece and its citizens ,and after covering the B.C. period he then moves on to the A.D. period and it says that the greek philosophy opposes Christianity (pretty simple : philosophy is about free thought and christianity is about thinking what they tell u to ,and of course obeying a never ending list of "thou shalt not "lol.Where was i ?uh yes.It's like christianity gathered all the outcome of ancient greek (free) thinking and locked it all in the cellar throwing away the key.It makes me sad to see christianity presented in such a close relation with our country (greece  ) ...everyone knows "pater imon" but most people dont even start to comprehend that one oughts to think freely ,that reality and all these values that we create might woek for some ppl but NOT for everyone.FFS ppl are not sheep !!
anuway....
what do u ppl think ?are u happy with what u see around you ?are u part of it?
ps.strange coincidence:i was reading the overview of that film u mentioned just before i checked out isratrance.. and before that i didnt even know the film ( ifound out by luck ) strange huh ?
peace
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Schizomorph
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 23:14
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Lol, it looks like sometimes things have a way of finding YOU. There is a book that kind of goes into how ideas are spread(it's a very important book in evolution theory because it sees ideas as living organismas that reproduce). It's called 'The shelfish gene' by Richard Dawkins. Anyway, I'm going offtopic here. I haven't read the book you mentioned but my parents read it and they were going on about it for ages.
I think that if us greeks want to pe proud of our past , we should at least know 'all I know is that I know nothing' and try not to pretend we understand everything.
On the subject of drugs and parties, it is easy to condemn people for using drugs on a forum but in real life, would you call the bouncers on them? Do you think these people belong to jail? I mean even if some people are annoyed with the way they behave and look, do you think that's a punishable act?
I hope not. Evolution is led by the different members of a society/species. I think we should at least respect the people who are sensitive enough to try something different, even if they are totally wrong and they harm themselves by doing it. If someone wants to protect these people, he should first ask himself if he is capable of understanding them and if he is actually in a position where he can help.
Some people devour drugs just because they think it's cool or because they have nothing better(no relation with actual psychedelia here). I see these people as victims rather than criminals (in fact I see criminals as victims too). In the UK, clubs are obliged by law to have a qualified first aider who knows what to do when someone is having a bad trip or overdosing. Although this might seem quite dark to greeks(it definatelly did to me) it's much more responsible than to beat the person up and chuck him out of the club. It's little details like that that make a world of a difference in the feeling you get in different countries. If we think 'all I know is I know nothing' you might feel more open to different ideas.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 13:41
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a dutch friend of mine was telling me how is some parts of holland the have ambulances patroling parks where heroin addicts usually hang out.it seems weird -i felt like that when i heard it -BUT thats what its all about :freeing yourself from the restrictions of thought(why does the ambulance example sound weird or i dunno what?why cant we realise that it sounds 'weird" because we have never had sth like that in our country and because we have been seeing the same stuff over and over again that we have come to the conclusion that "that is what is normal to do".
as u said schizomorph," the wisest man is he who knows he knows nothing"
and take a look at my signature,a quote by Huxley ,i believe that being able to see and judge things with an innocent,pure (non-prejudice) mind is a vurtue nowdays
peace
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Schizomorph
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 16:31
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That's called welfare(pronoia) and most countries have a lot to learn from Holland and generally the scandinavian model (I know Holland isn't a scandinavian country). It's based on very high taxes and very improved services and social policy. The problem is that most people don't trust their governments enough to pay high taxes and expect something good in return. Anyway, this is offtopic and possibly in the wrong forum altogether.
I'm impressed nobody has joined the thread yet - maybe because of what happened earlier on with everyone arguing.
I would be very interested to see other people's opinions about what we are discussing. In fact, since this thread is called Psychedelic trance I'm going to start a more specific one about the legelity of drugs. I hope it doesn't get locked because I find this very interesting:-) |
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 17:21
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if u start a topic about drugz it wont stand much chance
u'll be told this is a music forum blah blah blah
but if u do ill join in 
it would be really interesting to start a conversation about the connection between substances and religion/god. Do u believe that one of the reasons drugs are banned and Satan-related by the church is that these substances could help ppl to " talk" with god and no longer fear him.imagine that: if ppl no longer feared god!!! that would b really sth!
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