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Psychedelic Trance will set you free... Against The Trends!, Artists Labels Listeners, this for you!
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 17:53
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On 2005-07-30 16:25, The Green Channel wrote:
In the end of your post you write that you are angry because people bitch, but don’t act. This is unfortunately a human-weakness; we are better at talking then acting and YES it is frustrating.
What can you do about it?
Start with yourself, be the change you want to se in the world… (Throw your own underground parties; create the music you like and so fourth).
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Thats why i opened my own label mate and trying to promote the kind of music that i think is good for the psy trance scene.I am not trying to make money out of it (how much money can you make out of psy trance as a label?) neither i need fame through it (after all no more than 50.000 people around the world listen or even know this kind of music),i am just trying to put my words into action.
Cheers to you to and like you said people should act a little bit instead of just talking all the time,specially when they insult people by calling them morons when they dont aggree with them.
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 17:58
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i believe the idea of oren was to help artists look inside their souls and be able to create some original tunes and ideas and still release it.
because these days you can hear so many artists make music they don't even like, because this is what label ask for, and labels themself don't like it, they just try to do what the big labels do because they are wannabes big too and earn lots of money  but actually they will never be as long as they release copycat music. amazing point!
i think this is good key for our scene to be more open minded.
again boom to oren.
it is about the time ! |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 18:06
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On 2005-07-30 17:58, SPHINX wrote:
i think this is good key for our scene to be more open minded.
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Yep! XX
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Mari.Morgan
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 23:48
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WOW!!!
people actually start to understand that full on is idiom for bad vibe and bad music?!
i'm surprised!
keep up if you have psyvideos and you want to exchange, contact me !
BoOoOoM ShanKar ! |
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mono mono
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 16:48
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Scenerio 1---
isratrance member 1: "Hey Mister 2, what do you like to eat?"
isratrance member 2: "I enjoy singapore noodles with shrimps, Mister 1"
isratrance member 1: "Yes, so do I. Have you tried Soba noodles?"
isratrance member 2: "Yes, but I don't like them. I only eat singapore-style noodles, and only with shrimps. "
isratrance member 1: "Anything else?"
isratrance member 2: "Just singapore noodles with shrimp, maybe a little sriracha sauce on it."
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it's silly I know.
Scenerio 1 is pretty common and there isn't much to do or say on our part because everyone has their tastes. To me the most healthy aspect of taste is that it changes or expands over time. So many of my friends have altered their trance taste over the period of 5 years since i've known them, including myself. There probably is some age/taste correlation. I can probably safely say that 7-15 year-old girls make the predominance of Britney Spears/Backstreet Boyz consumers. Anyone like to venture on the edge to hypothesize the trance angle? Sidenote: i think there's a general trend that the older the body, the lower the BPM.
Scenerio 2----
isratrance member 1: "Hey Mister 2, what do you like to eat?"
isratrance member 2: "I eat food, Mister 1"
isratrance member 1: "What kind of food?"
isratrance member 2: "food food, it's all food."
isratrance member 1: "Do you have any taste?"
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Represents a common discussion on this board and sub-genre. I find the sub-genre descriptions to be useful and inherently don't destroy the scene. It just means of using non-musical language to give a general hint of the musical ideas. We can use language to help us or we can blatently discard it and attempt telepathic means, which was lost at the advent of language, to convey musical information in a highly compressed form ;^>
I think what tends to happen is that in smaller areas (less people), there seems to be a more limited variety of taste possibly because all the DJ's eventually share the music each other. Also with younger scenes. As a consequence, the parties may tend to have the same ilk of trance. More experienced promoters may try to mix it up a bit.
I think there's a sub-genre labeling backlash is due to parties in places where the music, at a given party, is always a particular style. To deny that different musical creative philosophies exist (resulting in the different genres or sounds) is denying the richness of the culture. The names don't come overnight, it's a collective effort to accept and [partially] agree that there might be something out there called, say, "minimal trance". Not everyone knows what it is but there are people, around the world, that seem to agree on what part of it is.
seems to me the best thing is to just relax and let the names come and go. And, if you've got the time, have arguments on what "psychedelic full-on progressive" is. I'll sit that one out. Or, try making your own desciptive three-word genre name (see the recent Junya thread). Experiment and sample new musics.
some related quotes:
"knowledge is good" - Joseph Faber, founder of Faber College.
"language is a virus" - William Burroughs
-dz
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 18:21
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On 2005-07-31 16:48, mono mono wrote:
i think there's a general trend that the older the body, the lower the BPM. |
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I must be bloody ancient then - the 80 BPM mark suits me down to the ground!! 
Or maybe I'm just an old soul...
I think you make some valid points mono mono.
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Stash
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 20:02
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Well irrespective of that fact what we have named the sub genres i dont think it had led to the proliferation of sub standard clones of certains famous artists..........
why do they copy a particular artist or style????
just because it is liked by the majority or they feel it wud make them rich and famous if they catered to what most people like.....
so if one kind of sub genre is what most like and a particular artist makes such kind of music and has done really well others are bound to follow......
its called herd mentality..........
there are innovators and as a rule always following them are the numerous imitators
to keep the imitators at bay and to prevent being counted as one of the others artists need to constantly evolve the kind of stuff they create....well it is a tough task but its what has been going on all throught humanity.........
by naming the sub genres all we have done is made marketing of psy trance easier.........
Coutnless labels have sprung up and these labels have christened themselves as labels dedicated to solely producing and releasing one sub genre only........
all these problems we face are goin to remain as long as people are in the scene to make money......which is never going to change i mean u do need to feed your family........
but there will time and again come some saviours with that twisted and non commercial pyschedelic sound which is an expression of the artist and done without any formula in mind..........
keep it underground
bOm
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mono mono
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:23
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me thinks it's easier to imitate than to innovate, don't you agree?
However, if you're starting out making music then it probably makes sense to imitate first unless you have a holy vision of god's perfect sound that must be realized, you the chosen one artist.
Collectors and DJ's have an awareness of the stylisic pathways of each record label's musical leanings. This is not exclusive to psytrance. This also makes a case for the existance of labels like Yellow Sunshine Explosion, that (re)release tracks across the spectrum of trance styles. That way, the newer seekers will have something more broad to work with.
You may think that label specialization inhibits creative outflow. There are a lot of labels out there offering a wide variety of styles, I wouldn't say there's a shortage of creativity- especially when you assume innovation is less frequent than imitation. Not all labels plaster their sub-genre name across their web site or releases.
Again, the frustration arises when your musical options at a party are limited strictly to say full-on, or, perhaps, dark, for the whole night (and day).
Once again, most vetern promoters whose parties i've been to generally mix it up, for example, the Moksha guys in Israel, the Cabbage crew in Leeds, Synthetic Sadhus (RIP) in NYC.
The artists who make the money may imitate at first, but they seem to have the most detailed, tweaked, and polished sound. They have a good chance, I believe, in eventually finding their own sound because they have their unadultered time to eat, sleep, breath music. not a guarantee, though.
ah well....
-dean
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:37
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I might get flamed by this but I got to say it anyway... And it's nothing personal. Just my observation as someone that's been in the scene a long time.
The downfall of this scene started the very day "Good morning Israel" was released. Nitzhot spread like a disease first to Greece where Kids took over the scene which had been very psychedelic. Then new scenes came along in mexico and Brazil and welcomed this new fluffy (dare i to say "kiddy") music. Suddently some Israeli artists, that did ok but did not get "fat" from the music, saw a potential in making some money by making this music. Alongside the old-school artists of not only Israel (but lead by artists from israel) also jumped on the bandwagon and started to produce what we now know as Full ON. I have personally talked to a few of the old-schoolers and had answer such as ... It's not really my taste but it gives me gigs and money.
Now I do not point fingers at the newcommers even though many of them should not release their music in my opinion. But they just know what they get exposed to. I blame the people that were established at the time this music started to infect our scene. People that should have said no instead of yes to it.
The result is a scene that's so far away from what it was surposed to be. A scene that has absolutely nothing to do with the term "trance" anymore...
To me it's got more to do with a German mega Rave where Scooter play than anything to do with Goa trance or psytrance. Even the spirit has gone and is about who is the biggest "star" on stage. When was the idea behind this scene ever about idiolising the artists and DJ's and put them on pedestals? The idea was that all are equal and if there's any stars it's the people on the dancefloor.
my 2 cents. and remember it's not at all personal ... it's just my observation and opinion. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:39
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Hey i actually liked Good Morning Israel cd back in those days
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:42
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On 2005-08-01 13:39, DETOX wrote:
Hey i actually liked Good Morning Israel cd back in those days
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Thats scary and just show that you were one of the many Greeks that got infected too 
That was a sad sad day for the Greek scene that had been an amazing scene prior to that. |
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:46
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Well i dont care if that was a sad day for the Greek scene or if i was infected by anything simply because i had fun with that cd and i enjoyed it preety much
I was preety young back in those days anyway.
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HandA
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 13:57
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On 2005-08-01 13:46, DETOX wrote:
Well i dont care if that was a sad day for the Greek scene or if i was infected by anything simply because i had fun with that cd and i enjoyed it preety much
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To see you write that is a bit sad mate. Because thats the comon attitude. "We dont care". |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 14:14
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Kristian i am not here to tell people what music they should hear,if people had fun with that music back in those days then thats absolutely fine with me.
And seriously i dont think that this Nitchonot trend hurted Psy Trance at all,yes it was a big trend for Israel and Greece but apart that no other person in the rest of the world even knows this music ever existed,me i see Nitchonot as a trend that just faded out just like gabba music did before many years and just like this so called dark trance in our days will do in a couple of years.
And by the way you know very good (i guess at least) if i care or not about psy trance music.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 00:29
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I do not think there is a lack of innovation. I hear new incredible music coming from the artists in our very own community. I think also part of the issue is this post-modern perspective where we try to deconstruct psychedelic trance and try to make sense out of it. We are contantly questioning ourselves what is psychedelic trance and what makes this or that a psy trance experience from our current and different perspectives. And through this razionalization psy trance looses its spontaneity as we catalog every single bit of information.
This discussion in itself is constantly deconstructing and reconstructing.... If we just went a did it the best way we could until we were satisfied and awed with our own creation... and then went to share it with others who would have other mind bending creations.... celebrate, dance and enjoyed this creations.... Instead we find ourselves deconstructing and reconstructing to define how things should be In our very own opinion. |
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