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Psychedelic Trance will set you free... Against The Trends!, Artists Labels Listeners, this for you!
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 14:58
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yes i forgot to be politcly correct in this forum god forbid i will insult all the mighty fullon artist |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 15:04
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It's not about being politically correct, it's about having respect, whatever your tastes, however much you might disagree with something or someone.
Constructive criticism is the key and that's what I think is missing in the silly war between subgenres and their respective fans. Otherwise you're just being antagonistic for the hell of it and we're going to end up in a fight, not a debate.
Simple as that.
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 15:28
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so what is oren saying is if i will call fullon techtrance and soumi and dark psytrance [wich its simply not true] i will love them all?
imo sub geners are great it had to be done the music became boring and artist experiment try new things they progressing |
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orenmaimon
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 15:44
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Full On = Cheap Trend for childs, which is actually Advertisement for Hommega, bne and maybe some other "major" dictatorial labels... they are the people behind the trend "Nitzhonot".
They want you to copy them, they want you to follow the trend, they will leave clean Kick just for you, Ready to be stolen and use. (i can't even count how much time i have heard the astrix kick in other artists tracks), once you steal the kick, u will have to follow his Mix and try to be like him because the kick is one of the most important design of the mix.
This way they navigate the scene more easily and making more money while no one remember the wannabes, no one care about the wannabes, the wannabes are just followers that give power to the people who hold the trend.
Trends are here to Force you to support the big labels.
No one will remember you the small labels and the small artists for coping these big labels, you will never be big as long as you follow trends.
As for those morons (sorry for the word) who need some words to express what kind of PSYTRANCE they like more or less, There are amazing words that you may forget like Melodic, Deep, Atmospheric, Rhythmic...etc. use your mind at least. be creative and maybe you will become inventive!.
P.S try to understand the meaning of this change.
you will hear different patterns, different basslines kics, ideas, melodies, style...Parties will be more interesting and there will be variety of music in festival instead of "full on compitation on the stage"... whole world is waiting for you to create once you stop follow some silly trend.
There are amazing words that you may forget like Melodic, Deep, Atmospheric, Rhythmic...etc. use these words to describe the music inside the cd instead of full on, be creative at least, use ur imagination, i belive the listener will give it even more attention and will respect this cd much more |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:03
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I'm sorry Oren, but who the hell are you to decide what's good for everybody else? I am sick and tired of people that wake up one day and think they know it all and they are starting to preach to everybody else. Can't you just press play on your favorite progressive, suomi or whatever music you listen to and let the kids enjoy their own things? Does somebody forces you to hear anything that you don't like? I don't get it. I advice a meeting at the shrink, you seem to have some sorts of delusions of grandeur. Chill, have a smoke. K?
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:25
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DETOX:
Well first of all, thank you for clearing things up for me. (in regards to your first post)  …
In the end of your post you write that you are angry because people bitch, but don’t act. This is unfortunately a human-weakness; we are better at talking then acting and YES it is frustrating.
What can you do about it?
Start with yourself, be the change you want to se in the world… (Throw your own underground parties; create the music you like and so fourth).
However, I don’t think that anger is the solution; anger is an emotion that is counterproductive (like most emotions).
During the last (2005) year I have only really enjoyed a few trance releases; Unusual suspects 2 and Jaia - fiction are the only releases that I have loved from start to finish. Instead I have turned my attention towards Psy-chillout, were I seem to get less disappointed.
The reason we should not use all these sub-genres, is it acts as a block towards up-and-coming artists. I fully agree that established artists are not influenced by the sub-genre-categorizations. A younger artist from Israel for instance, might feel pressured to create boring full-on, because they think that’s how Full-on should sound.
For me personally it’s not a problem to only have one name for this genre. If it’s lame boring full-on then it doesn’t fit under the categorization psy-trance. It’s as easy as that.
Cheers, bro.
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:31
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On 2005-07-30 15:28, psy^soldier wrote:
imo sub geners are great it had to be done the music became boring and artist experiment try new things they progressing
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Please reread my original post. I too think it can be a positive thing to divide psytrance into categories, at least for descriptive purposes. I don't think it makes any difference to the music itself however - that's entirely in the hands of the producers, not those who assign subgenres.
The point I was trying to make is that the division process is being abused by some people who use these different titles as an excuse to band together into little gangs and enter into a slanging match with those who don't share their tastes or lecture people on what they should be listening to because they think 'their' style is 'better'.
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On 2005-07-30 16:03, Pavel wrote:
I'm sorry Oren, but who the hell are you to decide what's good for everybody else? I am sick and tired of people that wake up one day and think they know it all and they are starting to preach to everybody else. Can't you just press play on your favorite progressive, suomi or whatever music you listen to and let the kids enjoy their own things? Does somebody forces you to hear anything that you don't like? I don't get it. I advice a meeting at the shrink, you seem to have some sorts of delusions of grandeur. Chill, have a smoke. K?
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Spot on XX |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:33
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On 2005-07-30 15:04, floatyhippyflower wrote:
It's not about being politically correct, it's about having respect, whatever your tastes, however much you might disagree with something or someone.
Constructive criticism is the key and that's what I think is missing in the silly war between subgenres and their respective fans. Otherwise you're just being antagonistic for the hell of it and we're going to end up in a fight, not a debate.
Simple as that.
Peace 3;~
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So true.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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SPHINX
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:44
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wtg Oren
fully support!
i think artists and labels who read this could profit some good energy and freedom to be original.
all the labels and the artists should read this.
full on is really boring, i'm tired sick of these subgenres that come and go all the time. |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:50
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On 2005-07-30 16:44, SPHINX wrote:
i'm tired sick of these subgenres that come and go all the time.
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Where do you think psytrance came from? Do you think it magically appeared out of thin air and *poof* all of a sudden, there was a new, pure genre of dance music? Psytrance was once a subgenre itself, developing into to the 'proper' genre it is now. You can't stop evolution, whether you like where it's going or not.
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:55
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SPHINX
full on is really boring, i'm tired sick of these subgenres that come and go all the time.
you tired of fullon so what does it have to do with all the sub geners tell me ?
people your not naking anysense |
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SPHINX
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 16:56
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On 2005-07-30 16:50, floatyhippyflower wrote:
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On 2005-07-30 16:44, SPHINX wrote:
i'm tired sick of these subgenres that come and go all the time.
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Where do you think psytrance came from? Do you think it magically appeared out of thin air and *poof* all of a sudden, there was a new, pure genre of dance music? Psytrance was once a subgenre itself, developing into to the 'proper' genre it is now. You can't stop evolution, whether you like where it's going or not.
3;~
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full on is all about bassline and kick and some boring cheezy melody.
Psytrance is full genre include everything in it!
full on is in the end of its way anyway.
this is so obvious...
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 17:12
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hope you are right sphinx |
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Rah
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 17:32
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On 2005-07-30 16:03, Pavel wrote:
I'm sorry Oren, but who the hell are you to decide what's good for everybody else? I am sick and tired of people that wake up one day and think they know it all and they are starting to preach to everybody else. Can't you just press play on your favorite progressive, suomi or whatever music you listen to and let the kids enjoy their own things? Does somebody forces you to hear anything that you don't like? I don't get it. I advice a meeting at the shrink, you seem to have some sorts of delusions of grandeur. Chill, have a smoke. K?
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here, here... there is a conspiracy for everything these days... widespread paranoia...
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 17:37
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On 2005-07-30 16:56, SPHINX wrote:
full on is all about bassline and kick and some boring cheezy melody. |
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In your opinion.
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Like full-on for example?
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Ahhhh right, include everything except the bits you don't personally like! Makes sense 
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Is it? Oh well I'm glad someone understands then because frankly, I just don't get it.
If you don't like the music, don't waste your breath moaning about it, just switch off. It's easy I promise! All you have to do it press a button on your stereo. |
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