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Psychedelic Trance will set you free... Against The Trends!, Artists Labels Listeners, this for you!
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orenmaimon
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 01:15
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few weeks ago in a party we did, i was sitting back in the sweet nature with few friends, artists and djs and we were talking the psy culture in the last 3 years, good and bad things...
The main argument was "what Full-On, Progressive.. Sub Genres do to the scene, how it effect the artists, The Labels and The listeners. where it came from and is it good or bad"
the conclusion -
we all have agreed that the idea of naming sub styles are the most stupid mistake could ever be, Full On is one of the must biggest mistakes ever made in our culture.
it is even worst the "Nizhonot".
it kill the scene, it kill the artist, it kill the chance for small labels to grow ----> artists copy one the another, the fear to be unique, it become a competition instead of art.
it kills the future of the scene by making this scene one of the most boring music ever.
it became harder for people to be open minded for any other material.
and the whole culture lose CREATIVITY which is another meaning for IMAGINATION (psychedelic trance)!
The healer for this virus in our scene is stop naming the music in sub genres.
this way each artist will present his own sub genre and his sub genre will be actually his ARTIST NAME and not some cheap trend !!! , and that's way we will have tones of sub genres, tones of creativity, artist will be free to make their unique style istead of copying some specific trends all the time.
you should say it Proudly i make "Psytrnace", I listen to "Psytrance" I live "Psytrance" if you want to be specific when talking with other ppl you can say i like psytrance more fast/slow, deep, hard... these words are much deeper then those childish trend expression like full on ,progressive etc.
The effect of saying psytrance and not full on or any other sub genre.
this way you artists will be more creative and open minded to create their own unique style!
The labels will release good music instead of trying to release music like the "Big Labels" release.
The listener will be more open minded for new things.
the most important The Listener will be excited to hear new cds because each cd will preset another legend different trip.
i hope you earn something by reading this.
after i saw how it inspire the artists and the ppl who were involved in this conversation, i hope it will inspire you as well, don't follow trends, make psytrance not some cheap sub genre.
Any comments welcome.
So long
Dj Oren
ps - What does seem to be more excited?!
psychedelic trance is [--------------------------------------------------------] unlimited wolrd of imagination to be who you are.
full on/ sub genres is [-----] limited?! |
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 01:35
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I will start proudly:
I like Psytrance! 
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lovecats
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 02:56
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I call it gang mentality, the desire to break off and form groups. You are right about what it does to a general community. I amnot sure if it is something that can be helped though, it might just be the way of the human. On the other hand marketing and advertising deffinetly encourage it and speed up the process. It is ridiculous that in a genre like electronic to be broken down in to psytrance then to be broken down again! I think it should be more about how you play the tunes are you pushen it hard, tweeken every sound or just let it flow nice and dream like or worken on a progression through your set. Me I like nothing more than to here a bit bluegrass in the middle of a set and then maybe some monks latter on. To play one style all through is just boring a caters for people with minds in artificialy created boxes and I guess some boxes are socialy conditioned boxes too but those boxes probably aren't bix enought to make room for even the dullest psy. |
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ND
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 03:11
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"How would you describe your music?
My music can be best described as psychedelic trance. I’m not much into categorizing all those subgenres but my music travels inside and outside the whole psytrance spectrum. I try to be progressive, I love to get back to the roots, I love to experiment..."
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 03:14
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On 2005-07-30 01:15, orenmaimon wrote:
don't follow trends, make psytrance not some cheap sub genre.
So long
Dj Oren
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You say to follow no trends but then you sign as DJ Oren.
One of the biggest trends killing this scene is everybody proclaiming himself as a DJ.
Good try but not convincing sorry.
P.S 1 I am not saying you are not a DJ or that you are a bad DJ,i dont even know you in order to judge you for that.
P.S 2 How can an artist claim that he has his own style and ask to be remembered by his name when 90% of the music coming out of Israel sounds like a bad copy paste of Astrix?Artists that make serious and innovative music dont care at all about the styles names trust me,the same goes for the people that listen to their music.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 03:16
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Very true. I have nothing to add. 
We need more people thinking like you.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 03:44
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On 2005-07-30 03:14, DETOX wrote:
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On 2005-07-30 01:15, orenmaimon wrote:
don't follow trends, make psytrance not some cheap sub genre.
So long
Dj Oren
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You say to follow no trends but then you sign as DJ Oren.
One of the biggest trends killing this scene is everybody proclaiming himself as a DJ.
Good try but not convincing sorry.
P.S 1 I am not saying you are not a DJ or that you are a bad DJ,i dont even know you in order to judge you for that.
P.S 2 How can an artist claim that he has his own style and ask to be remembered by his name when 90% of the music coming out of Israel sounds like a bad copy paste of Astrix?Artists that make serious and innovative music dont care at all about the styles names trust me,the same goes for the people that listen to their music.
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You sound angry DETOX, you answer as if you didn't understand his main argument.
You start by critisising the fact that he signs-off as DJ Oren,
does it really matter what he calls himself?
I honestly think that our scene has larger problems then pseudo-Dj's, IMO these problems are much worse: drugs, lack of creativity and TOO many style names just to name a few for instance... I really don't understand what you ment in the end, with Israel and the full-on artists there, a bit unclear or maybe it's just me.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 04:12
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Dear Green Channel,Oren is speaking about trends,in my humble opinion 'being a DJ' is the same trend as the sub genre name Full On.
You ask Artists what music they make and they say to you 'Full On'.
You ask users in this forum if they are more active in this scene,apart from being a listener ofcourse,and half of them reply 'Yeah i am DJ'.
Hope you understand the paralelism 
Then we are speaking about names,Oren says that an artist should be identified by his artistic name and not by the kind of music he produces.In order to achieve that you must work hard for many years.People like Deedrah/Synthetic,X Dream,Infected Mushroom,Wizzy Noise,Astrix,Logic Bomb,Prometheus and many more are developing their own sound every day working on their studios and spending half their time,energy and money there.How can these people be compared with the 90% of music being released in our days?How can those young people from Israel (nothing against Israel,it just serves as a good example here) demand to be identified by their artistic name when all of them share the same style and sounds?Out of ten cd releases coming out of Israel in our days the nine are exactly the same full on repetitive music on 142-145 bpm,same sounds,same simple atmosphere,same kick and baselines,same cheesy melodies.
When i listen to a new Orion track i know its Orion,when i listen to new Logic Bomb i just know its them,when i get a new Deedrah or Dino Psaras tune i know that these guys made this tune.
Can you claim the same for the majority of releases in our days?
Everybody should say 'I make Psytrance i live Psytrance'?
Sorry but if every kid that just got a pc and a program and made a track claims that 'I do Psytrance' then the word will be in the end as funny as the word DJ.
You wanna take sub genres out of psy trance?
Good i am with you,but then we are going to have only three kinds of music,Good,Average and Bad,and then many many people,artists and labels will be highly dissapointed by the feedback they will receive.
P.S Yes i am angry because all people do is talk talk talk but when it comes to actions noone does anything to support his thesis and his words.
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Rah
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 05:21
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On 2005-07-30 01:15, orenmaimon wrote:
we all have agreed that the idea of naming sub styles are the most stupid mistake could ever be, Full On is one of the must biggest mistakes ever made in our culture.
it is even worst the "Nizhonot".
it kill the scene, it kill the artist, it kill the chance for small labels to grow ----> artists copy one the another, the fear to be unique, it become a competition instead of art.
it kills the future of the scene by making this scene one of the most boring music ever.
it became harder for people to be open minded for any other material.
and the whole culture lose CREATIVITY which is another meaning for IMAGINATION (psychedelic trance)!
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i said before and i will say it again... why do people keep blaming the styles and substyles in the scene for the lack of creativity??
those names where created because there is ALREADY a lack of creativity spawning everywhere in the world... don't blame a sub-genre for it... nobody is forcing artists to make the same stuff... they do it because is popular and it brings in money...
punk music all sounds a bit alike, so does rock music, jazz and classical whats the problem about it?
sub-genre's are there to state the obvious... that most stuff sounds alike these days. If producers made music that was slightly different there would not be a need to create such names to begin with...
you have problem with full-on music, well then be specific about it... i know what styles i like and i for once am grateful to know that i can identify what kind of music it is going to be played from one word... i hear the party is going to be mostly 'prgressive-house' kind of affair, i know what to expect... deeper, or shallower, or lighter is not telling me anything... trance is to damn broad. It's time to admit it people, the genre grew far bigger and wider than what we expected and grouping it all under one name, is not saying much anymore... Take Kontrasequenz and Xenomorph. It is more than clear these two don't belong on the same court together, even if they are both 'psy trance'
i don't love these sub-categories and i do think they are a bit anal... but at the end of the day they make my life a bit easier. elementoftime.net
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phobium
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 11:49
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On 2005-07-30 05:21, Rah wrote:
i don't love these sub-categories and i do think they are a bit anal... but at the end of the day they make my life a bit easier.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 11:51
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I second Rah and Detox here. If somebody thinks that X-Dream, Son Kite and Scorb sound the same and all should be put under same umbrella is a fool and should pull the banana out of his ears. When you come to a party/festival or buying a CD you want to know what to expect. God knows that when i wish to hear twisted full-on i don't want to get stuck with another Israeli Astrix wannabe. That's the reason why labels should continue to label. Dark/Morning, Full On/Prog and so on. And stop blaming semantics. When somebody chooses to be un-original and to copycat somebody successful no promo text will help him. For god's sake, the new Hypersonic album comes with "The Trance album of the year" sticker on it.
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Fuzulu
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 12:58
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i dont get the relation btween sub genres and ppl making bad music... i mean what does sun genres hav to do wit people making bad music .. no connection at all .... the only way i can relate them is .. both are gonna keep on increasing !
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 13:21
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Frankly, my knowledge of psytrance leaves a lot to be desired (I like my ambient thank you very much ;-)) so it probably would be very useful for me to know whether or not a forthcoming release is of one subgenre of trance or another. I'm told for example that the trance I listen to is either 'old goa' or 'morning' but unless I've already heard a track/album first or am previously familiar with the artist then I wouldn't have a clue what to look for when browsing a catalogue of releases. The truth is Ive never bought a trance CD blindly but if I were to in the future, given that I am quite clearly more ignorant than most of you as to what constitues one variety or another, I'd imagine those descriptive titles would be pretty useful in helping me decide whether or not I would like the music on offer.
However in saying that, I do think orenmaimon makes a good point. Coming from a relatively 'outside' perspective, you guys seem overly hung up on your labels, tags, names, subgenres etc. I can't imagine any of that has or will demean the quality of the music (I'm with Pavel, if it's unoriginal it's unoriginal whatever name you throw at it) but I do think it has a negative effect on the 'scene' and IMHO on the attittudes of certain people on the forum, if only because you guys are always scrapping like children over it. Sometimes very bitterly too, which I think is both ironic and sad for a culture that in the same breath lays claim to PLUR left, right and centre.
Artists should strive to make the music they feel inspired to make and we, the fans, should all be free to enjoy it - or not - as we so choose without having to bicker about what to call it afterwards. Personal taste boys and girls. Why give a crap if it's called 'full on' or 'morning' or 'prog' or 'evil dark twisted KILLLALLAARRRRRR'? You don't get this kind of in-fighting in the chill-out section because nobody really cares as long as it sounds good, know what I mean? 
Love and peace 3;~
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 14:31
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what the hell is the sub geners is to blame !!!??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!
hey!
fullon is crap becuse its sounds crap today not becuse we name it fullon |
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 14:56
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On 2005-07-30 14:31, psy^soldier wrote:
what the hell is the sub geners is to blame !!!??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!
hey!
fullon is crap becuse its sounds crap today not becuse we name it fullon
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And just to highlight my point...there's always one.
Full-on sounds crap to YOU Mr. Soldier! Couldn't you have just said something like;
"I don't like full-on because it's not to my personal taste, not because that's what you like to call it"? I mean you're blithely dismissing the hard work and/or musical preference of at least half the forum and now there's going to be a scrap about it!
*waits for onslaught of maurauding, angry full-on freaks in blind rush to defend their precious subgenre and start psytrance war anew on Isra*
Ho hum.
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