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PSY Trance and SAE Institute?
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Sensay
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 17:06
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 well great, you all are right, thanx for the input, ... but again we have gone 
so far artists that have gone to SAE :
Rumble Pack
Tim Schuldt
Cyrus the Virus
Mindelight
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lets keep the list growing  |
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Ott^
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 18:20
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On 2006-01-25 15:20, neuromantik wrote:
only a fool can think he can self-teach himself all the theory and practice that is acquired during their audio eng degree curriculae.
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I absolutely disagree.
Having spent 12 years working as a freelance engineer I can honestly say that every SAE "graduate" I ever met didn't know his arse from his elbow.
SAE are very skilled at extracting huge sums of money from rich wannabees [or, more precisely, their parents...] and very little else. They churn out inexperienced know-alls who think they are gonna be famous record producers just because they have a piece of paper which cost them £10,000.
Every studio I ever worked at, when recieving a job application from an SAE "graduate" would put the letter straight in the garbage. In professional studios SAE have an absolutely terrible reputation.
I would advise anyone to stay well clear of them.
And before Sensay tries to tell me I'm off topic, I know a lot of psy-trance producers and none of them have been anywhere near SAE. |
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 19:33
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On 2006-01-25 16:49, Sensay wrote:
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hehe dude.. Why dont you take the course yourself and see!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 19:57
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Nowadays when you for a very small budget can get access to all the tools you need to learn, and going to a school like SAE seems a bit unnecessary IMO.
If you want to work in the mainstream music industry and learn how to handle a Neve or SSL I would say it's better to become tea boy in a studio.
It's for sure cheaper and you probably learn a lot more.
Thats what my teacher at SAE told me as well 
If you look in any area of audio engineering it's extremly few of the sucessful producers/engineers that has gone to SAE or similar collages.
And the teachers is hardly successful engineers with lots of knowledge....like in most specialized areas like that is the ones that cannot find a job in their field and resort to teaching.
For me personally I went there because as a Swede I could get a grant from the government and I though what the heck...fun to stay for 9 months in London for a change...so in that regard it was totally worth it.
But when it comes to skills like sequencing, processing, mixing and synthesis I feel I gained very little that I didn't know before going there.
I probably wouldn't have studied for example acoustic treatment on my own behalf, but thats because I never had any need for it.
If the need would arise I could always pick up a book about the subject when that time comes.
So IMO if you aiming to become a professional sound engineer, get a job in a professional studio without hardly getting paid.
If you want to produce trance, just get on with it and read some books/articles if you feel you need more theory.
Going to SAE could maybe be useful if you want to become a teacher in sound engineering.
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Sensay
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 20:05
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poeple... i have gone to SAE i know that it is mostly a scam, but the stuff they teach you is good if your smart enough to apply it to your own needs... i apreciate all your input but again we are not talking about this
all i was asking... out of pure curiosity.. is who are the psy artists or dj's or label managers that have goine to SAE.... just need names
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sorceress
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 20:09
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hmm
quite a delimma,
self study is good its the best and its some thing u do even when u at a college.. they will show u the tools but u will have to come back and experiment with them to know what all they can do.
i worked at SAE, so i can comfertably say they give u great inputs whether for your money or your parents but the inputs are still good... now its upto u on how u use them.
plus u have access to the Labs at the institute... u can try all that u might not want to try and home 
why SAE u could also find a cheaper institute to go to.
another advantage of going to an institute is to be with Like minded people in the class and outside... the knowledge base increases
@ Bloodclot - SAE Chennai is not bad, nor is Bbay they do have great Faculty and in time am sure the euipment also would improve.
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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 20:55
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neuromantik
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 21:17
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I absolutely disagree.
Having spent 12 years working as a freelance engineer I can honestly say that every SAE "graduate" I ever met didn't know his arse from his elbow.
SAE are very skilled at extracting huge sums of money from rich wannabees [or, more precisely, their parents...] and very little else. They churn out inexperienced know-alls who think they are gonna be famous record producers just because they have a piece of paper which cost them £10,000.
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Well I thoroughly enjoy your music so I won't say that a piece of paper qualifying you as a sound engineer is the ticket to good production but here in France, you CANNOT get any job in the media field ("spectacle" in french) w/o a diploma or some kind of official recognition. That's the way it is period.
I understand that in anglo-saxon countries people can advance in their field of proficiency without formal education, and if one is producing trance than that's ok, but people should go to sae if they want to work as professional sound engineers and not as musicians IMHO. And in France and Germany, SAE is one of the most recognized schools.
I know for a fact however that not all institutes provide the same quality of education, but it is a bit hasty to make a sweeping generalisation about such a worldwide institute based on your mediocre experiences with its alumni.
That said, we both agree it is expensive and for me, an amateur musician, not worth the money. |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 22:08
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I find that artists who haven't done any form of education in the soundfield are often the best musicians. What they do comes from the heart. A friend of mine did an education in sound engineering but the education destroyed his creativity. I find that's the case with most musicians who went there. They work good on assignments when someone says: hey you, make me some good music for that promo or trailer. But when it comes to making their own music they fall short terribly. Anyway, that's my opinion.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 26, 2006 22:51
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On 2006-01-26 18:20, Ott^ wrote:
I would advise anyone to stay well clear of them.
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Nigel Godrich graduated SAE. Possibly the most wanted Music Producer in the world.
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Ott^
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 00:27
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On 2006-01-26 18:20, Ott^ wrote:
I would advise anyone to stay well clear of them.
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Nigel Godrich graduated SAE. Possibly the most wanted Music Producer in the world.
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And Hitler was a vegetarian. So what?
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Ott^
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 00:28
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On 2006-01-26 19:57, Spindrift wrote:
Going to SAE could maybe be useful if you want to become a teacher in sound engineering.
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Remarkably I totally agree with every word of Spindrift's post.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 00:46
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On 2006-01-26 18:20, Ott^ wrote:
I would advise anyone to stay well clear of them.
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Nigel Godrich graduated SAE. Possibly the most wanted Music Producer in the world.
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And Hitler was a vegetarian. So what?
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"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever" (Bill Hicks)
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Shilayeh
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 00:48
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in your 1st post you say that every SAE "graduate" you ever met didn´t know his arse from his elbow_but in your last one you agree that they could teach others?
for me a teacher knows "100%" what he is talking about_but maybe you have another definition?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 27, 2006 01:28
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On 2006-01-27 00:48, Shilayeh wrote:
in your 1st post you say that every SAE "graduate" you ever met didn´t know his arse from his elbow_but in your last one you agree that they could teach others?
for me a teacher knows "100%" what he is talking about_but maybe you have another definition?
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When it comes to for example a language professor at a university it might many times be the case that they are extremly knowledgable in the subject.
When it comes to more practical areas, like audio engineering or multimedia development, people that is really good at it usually prefer to do real jobs.
It's more money and it's more fun and stimulating.
Really...how many do you think learn audio engineering to become teachers in it?
At least in my experience the most knowledgable engineers and developers I have encountered was for sure not the teachers but rather the opposite.
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