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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 16:00
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Sure they blend together many times.
There is loads of rock with electronica mixed in and loads of electronica with rock mixed in.
The pioneers and still one of the best blends would for me be Tangerine Dream. Force Majure is great electronic rock.
Ozric Tentacles is more rock, but with nice electronic elements.
And for sure there is quite a few trance acts heavily influenced by rock.
But there is also a conflict between them many times.
In sweden it even used to be gang fights between the "hard rockers" and the "synths" 
And in a way in spirit they tend to be among the most separated music genres.
Rock people today is many times quite conservative and nostalgic while electronic music tend to constantly break new borders and always renew their sound sources and techniques.
And just look at the very common debate about guitars in trance. Many people hate it, because they do not feel rock has too much place in trance.
Some love it and would love more rock influences.
It's not at all as controversial to use a djembe drum or organ sound in a track as a rock guitar.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 16:27
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Why compare so much? But...
Well as I said before.. Hip-Hop/Rap and Rock is close related as well. And I personaly feel that rock and hip-hop/rap has more incommen then psytrance and Rock.. hmmm.. maybe it goes like this?
Psytrance/rock is equal when it comes to the psychedelic and theatrical parts. While Hip-hop/Rap is equal when it comes to the expression. Like in a demonstration kinda. (I'm not talking about bling bling hip-hop/Rap)
See my point..?
And btw. Did you hear about the new music blend that is sooo hipp?
Its a blend between Rap and Mambo.. Called Rambo!! hehehhe  Now wasnt that funny? hu..? no..
Ps. I'm a rock fan and not a hippedihoppidi fan.. But I like all music as long as its good
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 19:15
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On 2004-12-07 09:36, djparanormal wrote:
its not speculations, its a fact..
i didnt say all our artists/djs have been into rock, i said most of them..
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Care to name a few artists then? I'm curious..
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well u don´t need 2 be an expert 2 see that a LOT of artists, or bands, or groups have @ least one track using guitars...
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Yes but that doesn't mean they come from the rock scene now does it?
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2 name a few:
space tribe had "the specimen" band (glam rock band..btw do u know what it is?it´s placebo genre)
skazi (other rocker)
dark soho (their background is rock/metal)
(and the ones snow flake said:Tim Schultdz , S.U.N Project...)
most of the psytrance acts grew up listening 2 rock/metal, and that is a fact...who didn´t rocked and shacked their body while listening 2 rock/metal...come on.... ... |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 22:34
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most of the psytrance acts grew up listening 2 rock/metal, and that is a fact...who didn´t rocked and shacked their body while listening 2 rock/metal...come on....
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Amazing how people suddently become experts on every single artists (or almost all) musical preferences and backgrounds 
I can tell you lots of names that came from pop. New Wave (Do you know what that is?), World Music, Jazz, Punk, Techno, House ect ect. But it would be a waste of time and just end up with "My father is bigger than yours" !
If you really whant to know where trance and goa/psytrance came from in the first way... Disco! Yes Disco! Disco was THE major influence before there was even anything called Dance Music (yes our music can be categorised under Dance = dancable music). Disco inspired people in the late 80's (when Disco died out in the clubs) to start a scene in Detroit which later developed into House and Techno as we know it and from there trance slowly emerged in Europe in the early 90's turning (mainly first Germany and UK) into a subgenre called Goatrance which later turned into psytrance and later was twisted into Full On trance.
So to clame that psy/goa was invented and originated from Rock is dead wrong.. Yes some came from the Rock scene into the Goa/psy/Full On scene but far from most or all! It's a very mixed group of people from every corner og the music spectre that shaped the scene we know today! So get your facts straight before you turn yourself into experts on the History of Goa/psy trance and indeed Full On. Some of us actually still live to tell the tale Or at least we cared enough to read the many articles and interviews about the trance scene's History |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 23:24
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now this is a fact nobody disagrees right..
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I disagree. The music never came from Goa actually. There were/are a few artists that produced music there (Johan Bley for instance) but most of it was NOT produced in Goa. The term Goa came from english music mags that needed to put things into a hip new category. I have always called it psychedelic trance.
And what was played on the beaches of Goa 15 years ago? Anything from reggea to new beat passing by techno and funk. So no rock exclusivity there either.
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if the ancestors who started goa/psy music were rockers, who moved on to electronic music or psy..
we can conclude rock as a major influence right..
atleast thats wht i feel
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I am not so sure. First, what is rock anyway? Anything with guitars? Or is it more specific? Is death metal rock?
Now there certainly are some similarities. I think the main one is the intensity. So yes, "rockers" like intensity and psytrancers like it too. That is why progressive and minimal stuff isn't psytrance in my book. But that is as far as the comparison goes.
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also rockers and trancers are more like two brothers, having the same mother, as mentioned above, our ancestors who started psy were rockers before they got into psy..
*(my own point of view, please dont argue guys, just post related comments)
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I don't really think this is true. Some come from rock, metal, death metal, ska, reggea, funk, house, techno, acid, new beat, hardcore, new age, blues, grunge, gabber, gothic, acid core, elektro, classical, ambient, jazz etc etc. (These happen to be a few genres I have listened to in my life .
Also I really don't think that rock and psytrance have more dedicated followers than other genres. Do you think that a serious jazz aficionado has any less dedication? Or a flamenco lover? Or a follower of Phish or the Greatfull Dead? Or a classical music buff? What about Death metal groupies that tatoo their favorite band's name on their shoulder? Maybe you havn't met these people but they exist and are just as envolved in their scene as we are in ours.
The one notable exception would be pop because it really isn't a genre. It is just a name to collectively describe that which is popular with the masses and doesn't really fit into any other genre because ... err well ... it doesn't have enough depth to fit into anything.
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thegooddale
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 23:41
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I'd say that it does borrow more musically from house and techno than any other style of music. And I agree that both of those genres sprouted from seeds layed down by disco. But, I would say that the psytrance that I listen to more than anything, which is the dark and aggressive style played by groups such as Kindzadza and GOW shares more philosophically(for lack of a better word) with something like heavy metal music. The main ingredient they share is aggression(which is a key ingredient in my opinion for a killer track, and which some obviously hate). Alot of techno also shared this aggression in it's formula, so I guess you could argue that it has just been passed down. So, I think that the biggest influence of rock and more specifically hard rock/heavy metal has on psytrance is that it pushed the envelope much further as far as aural intensity is concerned and wasn't afraid to take something that had begun to stagnate and transformed it into something fresh and exciting by looking at it in a different light and pushing it a whole lot further/harder/deeper.
 to trance producers that are pushing the limits of their music in the right direction
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thegooddale
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 23:54
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Also I really don't think that rock and psytrance have more dedicated followers than other genres. Do you think that a serious jazz aficionado has any less dedication? Or a flamenco lover? Or a follower of Phish or the Greatfull Dead? Or a classical music buff? What about Death metal groupies that tatoo their favorite band's name on their shoulder? Maybe you havn't met these people but they exist and are just as envolved in their scene as we are in ours. |
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I'd say out of those groups you named, that the Phish/ Dead Heads would be the only ones as devoted to their musical loves as someone truly immersed in the psy scene. I think this is more than anything because of the fact that when you come to a psytrance party that is not a huge festival, and you put so much energy into getting yourself there and getting a camping area setup and actually participating in the event that you really become a part of the event. This doesn't happen much in the events of those other genres. Also, I don't know too many people who would be willing to go through the trouble of getting to anything as hard to find as some of the psy parties I have been to. Where a group of psytrancers will find the party, most people would go home after the first hour of wrong turns and confusion. It is stereotyping to say that and sure stereotyping is bad, but I think for the most part this one is true... Psytrancers are devoted people, you gotta give us that! |
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 00:27
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what have you seen what prices people pay on ebay for some rare jazz releases, a thousand times more than the highest selling psy vinyl ever. probably even way, way more..
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thegooddale
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 00:41
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what have you seen what prices people pay on ebay for some rare jazz releases, a thousand times more than the highest selling psy vinyl ever. probably even way, way more..
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collectability is something far seperate from true devotion... on Ebay Septic Death records sell for 3 or 4 hundred dollars some times and the people buying those are nothing more than collectors looking to have a historically rare piece of vinyl... |
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traveller
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 02:01
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well say what you say, i don't think there's any more devotion in our little genre than any other..
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 02:52
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I'd say out of those groups you named, that the Phish/ Dead Heads would be the only ones as devoted to their musical loves as someone truly immersed in the psy scene. I think this is more than anything because of the fact that when you come to a psytrance party that is not a huge festival, and you put so much energy into getting yourself there and getting a camping area setup and actually participating in the event that you really become a part of the event.
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Maybe this says more about the organisation of the festivals than anything else. If you just mean your own camping gear and all that, that happens in main stream pop festivals too. This is certainly not a psytrance exclusivity.
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This doesn't happen much in the events of those other genres. Also, I don't know too many people who would be willing to go through the trouble of getting to anything as hard to find as some of the psy parties I have been to. Where a group of psytrancers will find the party, most people would go home after the first hour of wrong turns and confusion. It is stereotyping to say that and sure stereotyping is bad, but I think for the most part this one is true...
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I know for a fact that in the Netherlands this is absolutely NOT true. On the contrary, it is the opposit. It is very hard to get the psytrancers to travel too far. (Especialy the ones in Amsterdam). On the other hand, I have good friends that organise Tekno parties and sometimes hardstyle parties. For them it really doesn't matter were the party is organised. People will come from all over the country to party. Psytrancers in .nl are lazy. I also know from my own experience before I listened to psytrance, I would travel all over the place to go to concerts, festivals, acidcore partys etc. Everyone travels in those scenes. Not so for psytrance. (People are too stoned .
As for devotion and dedication, I have friends that are in the metal scene. They have a huge website, they go to all the concerts they all play music themselves ... (they usualy come to our psytrance bashes too they are just as dedicated as anyone in the trance scene.
I know people that travel to the south of Spain every summer to go through all the little villages to find the real heart of Flamenco. They are just as dedicated.
I think most people's preconceptions just come from not knowing what is going on in all those other styles of music.
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Psytrancers are devoted people, you gotta give us that!
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Yes but not any more than people that listen to other music styles with again the notable exception of pop.
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djparanormal
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 07:46
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as somebody has rightly put, rock and psy share a common aggression factor, also both genres have extremes, soft rock, heavy metal , to dark evil death rock...
like in psy ambient, fullon, morning, evil dark psy etc..
again the cultures of the two music genres are quite similar,
and wht somebody said abt buying some jazz record on ebay for xyz $, thats classic dude, and rare.. but psy is new and digital, with so many artists, the cds are easily available.. so u really cant make such a comparison...
devotion among psy lovers and rockers is on a different level, more spiritual, intense, than other genres..
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full_lotus
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Posted : Dec 8, 2004 20:52
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What have Gong and System 7 got in common??
answer: Steve Hillage
What have Quintessence and Shpongle got in common?
answer: Raja Ram
Turn On, Tune In, Trance Out!!!
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cosmic_natraja
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 09:48
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hey djparanormal!!
i totally agree man...psy-rock combo sometimes gives the best dancefloor smashers...however some of the artists r reeeely overdoing it lately.
talkin of rock in psy...did anyone of u see the "LYCRA MTV AWARDS" dis yr...i dunno hw many of u noticed but there was a ramp show of some manish arora...and the background score was a daaark psy track with pentagram performing live on it...was an amazing track...dunno the name, but the theme was called "trance fantasy- by manish arora"...if anytime u ppl catch the repeat of the Lycra awards...just wait till u listen to this track...its worthwhile
pentagram's rock style vocals...layered on a daaarkish psy killer.
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 9, 2004 11:43
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On 2004-12-07 19:15, a3k wrote:
most of the psytrance acts grew up listening 2 rock/metal, and that is a fact...who didn´t rocked and shacked their body while listening 2 rock/metal...come on....
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Amazing how people suddently become experts on every single artists (or almost all) musical preferences and backgrounds
I can tell you lots of names that came from pop. New Wave (Do you know what that is?), World Music, Jazz, Punk, Techno, House ect ect. But it would be a waste of time and just end up with "My father is bigger than yours" !
If you really whant to know where trance and goa/psytrance came from in the first way... Disco! Yes Disco! Disco was THE major influence before there was even anything called Dance Music (yes our music can be categorised under Dance = dancable music). Disco inspired people in the late 80's (when Disco died out in the clubs) to start a scene in Detroit which later developed into House and Techno as we know it and from there trance slowly emerged in Europe in the early 90's turning (mainly first Germany and UK) into a subgenre called Goatrance which later turned into psytrance and later was twisted into Full On trance.
So to clame that psy/goa was invented and originated from Rock is dead wrong.. Yes some came from the Rock scene into the Goa/psy/Full On scene but far from most or all! It's a very mixed group of people from every corner og the music spectre that shaped the scene we know today! So get your facts straight before you turn yourself into experts on the History of Goa/psy trance and indeed Full On. Some of us actually still live to tell the tale Or at least we cared enough to read the many articles and interviews about the trance scene's History
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man i was not saying that trance was originated by rock...but that SOME artists come from that scene....get it? "SOME" not all..and i do believe in u that has strong roots from disco...i wasn´t talking about origins, but SOME artists growed in rock/metal context...  ... |
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