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Nathan
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 11:15
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Not all the sculptures are art, not all the paintings are art & not all track are art. Sure there are many crappie tracks which I don't understand why the hell they are being released, but there is enough good music in the world.
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 11:22
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On 2005-12-30 01:46, nolightatend wrote:
ISO 9003, isn't it standardized already ? Genres, rules, sound design....... It is product, it's not an art anymore.
Since you sell something it should have standart and yes an International Organization for Standardization mark on it.
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It is a sad, sad life you are living in.
Perhaps you should stop listening to the music you are listening and find some real art?
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Nathan
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 15:51
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nolightatend, Ok.
The concept 'Art' is not a Consensus. for example I think that b.p.empire and Shulmas albums are work of art. someone else can think that it's pure crap. so It's about taste. art has many forms and styles. some well knows paintings in his word that are considered as art, i see as nothing.
mabe art was once a Consensus. But today it is not. Art or not art. As long as it creative & original I don't need more.
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 16:25
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Your senseless mumbling is turning into art. You haven't heard Shulman but you guess it has a lot of artistic elements? On what bases do you judge anything at all? Did you study art? Did you create art? Do you have artist friends? What is your background? You can't build a building without a foundation. This is ridiculous. Look, i took an academic course in history of modern art and even though i recieved 85 i don't know shit. And it will take me a life time to acquire some taste and gain some reference point to appreciate art. What do you have?
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 17:25
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Why i think Shulman is artistic, because he produces chillout and from my own experience this genre requires much more musical sense and talent to be produced rather some repetitive loop alike track.
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And from my experience people that form their opinion about something without experiencing it before usually don't have anything important to say. I don't disrespect your taste in music, i just disrespect your disapproval of other's people effort and your wish to put labels and stamps on everything. Chill out? Must be art. Full-on? Must be a product without artistic intention. Step out of the box buddy. First smell the cake, then eat it and perhaps after try to discuss about it.
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 17:35
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On 2005-12-30 17:15, nolightatend wrote:
You must be dumb person because of two things,
1. you think there is a study which can define what is an art.
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Where did i mention that? I merely said that if you want to truely appreciate art you have to know the background before trying to enjoy it. It's easy for you to appreciate modern music because you live now, in the period of time that fits it. If you really want to enjoy the old Arabic music you have to know it's roots. You have to know it's nature and it's difference from the Western music. My parents don't appreciate my music because they don't know it's background. They are not aware of it's evolution. They don't FEEL it. For them it's a blend of sharp and violent sounds.
For me the music they like, Russian folk singer by the name of Visotsky (i guess you know him) is senseless shouting into microphone with mostly un fitting guitar chords. For them he was the sound track of their youth and he had a message that they connected to firmly. You see the difference?
For them Visotsky is art. For me Sensient is modern classic. For them (and for you i guess) Sensient is farts on kick and bassline. For me Visotsky is some drunk bully that shouts without a single rhyme and melody into microphone. But do you see how the opinions are formed?
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 18:36
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On 2005-12-30 17:15, nolightatend wrote:
Why i think Shulman is artistic, because he produces chillout and from my own experience this genre requires much more musical sense and talent to be produced rather some repetitive loop
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chill out music is also mainly based on loops, same goes for every single electronic music genre except for ambient wich is mostly based on harmonies and almost no rythm |
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 18:50
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I quit this discussion. I have no idea what are you talking about. Enjoy the Tiesto records. I'm off to hear some Sensient.
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Mr.Hanky
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 19:13
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On 2005-12-30 18:28, nolightatend wrote:
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jesus christ would u lay off the Fart with a kick thing u got on this dude.
The man has made a joke of a track with sampling some farts and based a track on that,but he did it for pure fun and never released it on a cd afaik,and u use this against him again and again.
Now,i agree that when u compare sensient's arrangements to some classical music arrangements or the likes,u could say there is less pure musical value in them.
But man, most house arrangements are way less sophisticated then sensient's ones(even though u sum it down to plain audio tricks,which in some cases is true).
And don't go telling me i don't know house,just don't go there.
While Sensient's music is MINIMAL DARK PROG TRANCE(thats the way i see it at least),the album Pressure optimal has amazing moments(imho) in it,and for me and many others, these moments can come from some simple tricks and maneuvers of sound.
But as a producer i know damm well it's not that simple and easy as u present it,and i do think that with some audio tricks and a wise use of samples u can acheive a whole package which can easily count as a form of art.
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Nathan
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Posted : Dec 30, 2005 20:08
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nolightatend,what is your taste in trance? Which Trance artist u consider as art?
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