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Progression presents@Arena Club GAUDIUM - FAT DATA vs Atropa Live 13 octomer

Jedi_knight
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 12:44
Quote:

On 2007-10-18 11:18, diskOtek wrote:
you present things in a wrong way.
there's no middle in what u say.though,a good vibe for you can be a bad vibe for me as a good party for you can be at the same time the worst i ve been.and after all who are you and i to tell if someone is a good or bad person and be objective?
that's why there's conversation..if everything was labeled and it was acceptable by all then we wouldn't have to speak and 'argue'!
can u define a good party and cover all opinions?
a good person??or maybe a good vibe?

and life's about variables and only them..
invariable is something thats stale and cannot change.





A person or a vibe or a party could be estimated from the effect of their action on the totality of other people.
A good action has a good effect on the totality of the other people , not on the person who acts.
A good party is a party that everyone and i mean EVERYONE have a good time.
A good person is a person that everyone benefits from his actions.
A good vibe is a vibe that everyone benefits and transmits to each other.
So the totality of the people defines the term of good or bad.
The totality of the people IS NOT the majority of the people and this is the point where all begin to get into a mess...

If we discuss and comunicate freely for the common good we will find some things that are certain and invariable not only to ourselfs but to the entire universe.
(cosmic justice...)

Please try to understand that i don't claim that i know the common good.
But there is common good.
We have ALL to agree in order to find it...


DETOX
Moderator

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:22
Jedi Knight your thoughts are very interesting but not only they are absolute in their nature (you talk about everyone all the time) but they are also thankfully impossible to implement and i will explain why i used the word thankfully.

First of all its more than obvious that you havent spend a lot of time with the basics of philosophy although you try to sound philosophical yourself.

For example you said that a good action has a good effect on the total of other people and not on the person who acts.

Well according to some of the greatest philosophers of all time your way of thinking is tottally wrong.

Let me give you a very well known example for those at least that have spend some time with philosophy issues and theories.

According to the greatest philosopher of the 17th and 18th century Immanuel Kant GOOD IS GOOD IN ITSELF AND NOT FOR WHAT IT PRODUCES and lets see what this means.

According to your belief if i could save the whole world,and i mean every single person on this planet,by saying a lie then this would be a good action.Well according to Kant that would be a very bad action because lying is bad and no matter what the outcome of lying may be we must never ever lie because lying is bad in its nature and lying is bad in its nature because if all people lyed all the time then there couldnt be trust in this world and when there can be no trust then there is uncertainty and fear and with these two then we usually have big conflicts and wars.

You are a clever person and i think that you understand what i am trying to say here,you should really also read some stuff concerning Kant it will be very interesting,by the way i am not a fan of Kant just for your info but i just used him to show you that your views can be wrong according to some authority in philosophy and not just an isratrance members belief on the subject.

Like i said in the beggining your thoughts and theories are THANKFULLY impossible to implement,i said that not because i dont want people to be happy on this planet but because if your theories were really practiced by every single person on earth then this would be the most boring spot in the universe,so boring that people might wouldnt need to interact with each other since they would know what is good and bad and people would just act and not interact at all or very little at least.

You claim (and very wisely) that you dont know the common good but you say with certainty (very unwisely) that there is a common good,well since you dont know the common good you cant really know if there is a common good and even if there is a common good you might be in front of a big suprise because the rest of the universe (since you used the term cosmic justice) except from us on earth might believe that common good is someone acting first on his own benefit and then for the benefit of the others,we dont know if thats true but there is a good chance that it can be true,what will happen then?You will accept the universe common accepted good that we first must act for ourselves and then for the others?Will you accept it or will you insist on your own belief that a good action is an action that benefits all the rest and not the person who acts it?Will you neglect your so far theories and become like the rest just because everyone should have the same values or will you dare to be DIFFERENT and continue following your own theories that are closer to your mentality and nature?

As you can easily understand these are philosophical questions that have many answers and many critics and are not easy to deal with through a forum.

What i tried and i hope i achieved is to show you like another user already said that each one of us is very different (thankfully like i already explained before) and different people have different theories of life and believes which is very healthy for our society if you want my humble opinion.

You got your theories,i got mine,Kant has his own and a billion people out there got other theories,all are respected but i seriously doubt their is an ultimate theory like i also doubt that there is such a thing as common good and invariable moral values           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Jedi_knight
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 15:11
If you start with a lie you will end with a lie and there would be no benefit at all.

If you know what is good it doesn't mean that you will choose it for sure, maybe you like bad thinks more...
(when a say you i mean everybody)

One certain thing that we all know is that we (the human race) are ruing the planet with our way of living. It is for the common good to help our planet restore it's damage.
Isn't this example a fact or it is an unwisely theory?

So my 1st ultimate theory is that we have to save our planet if we want to save ourselves.
Practical speaking if we have to define a good outdoor party it is certain that when the party is over the place must be untouched as it was before the party started.
Is this correct or not?

If we search we will find more ultimate
theories...


Jedi_knight
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 15:45
p.s.1 : For me the greatest philosopher of all time is JESUS CHRIST and his words are
invariable...

p.s.2 : when i wrote about the estimation of a good action and its benefits i wanted to write ..not ONLY on the person who acts.
My mistake...
errorhead

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 20:07
Quote:

On 2007-10-15 22:31, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
go to free parties then man and listen to greek projects
when u want to listen to guadium again go to brazil mabe ul see him there next time ehehehe




So thats what you have to say after reading my post ?

I feel there is no point expressing my opinion in this forum really.You guys talk about philosophy or pretending that you are in the last page of a party topic
Where are the moderators ?

DETOX
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 21:44
Jedi we are talking about parties here though mate and not saving our planet,different things different analysis and discussions.

Two last things so we end with our indeed offtopic though constructive discussion.

A)Sorry to inform you that Jesus Christ probably never even existed just like Shakespear and many other great historical figures.Ofcourse Jesus is one thing and his philosophy is another but thats another discussion.

B)I already knew that in your original words you wanted to say NOT ONLY on the person who acts but in any case the critisism on your belief and theory on common good remains absolutely the same in its main core.Your theory has many gaps unfortunately and can create many problems no matter how nice and peaceful it seems in the first place.Ofcourse every theory is very vunerable to all sorts of critisism so you couldnt be an exception i guess.Thats why i said in the beggining that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.Some things from your theory,some things from mine and we got a nice common accepted result in the end

There is no such thing as an ultimate theory i guess,just a blend of many theories in my humble opinion since life,the human nature and human actions are to complicated to fit in just one ultimate theory.

ERRORHEAD sorry to ruin your very important conversation with Nick concerning new names and old names,although this is indeed a trance forum and not a philosophy forum i was hoping that people would enjoy reading some interesting things that started from a conversation regarding trance parties,sorry to see i was wrong in your case at least.

Come on moderators erase everything and leave just the skazi killer comments on.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 21:49
we live in 2007 there is no hippy cult or ways of free parties if some 1 like sto do a serious free party in trance msuic he takes a club like fuzz and goes and makes a free event ,when u have free parties in national parks or in places were people
go for walks ,sorry i dont belive in concepts again club fees and stuff lik ethat is redicules we are the only country doing this stuff ,there 1000000000 milion clubs around the world evvery day doing parties with guests ,why we shloud be so difrent ,why u like to go in out doors erorrhead with bands in the forest it makes u free ,when u know laws hate it a stamop are sceene ,do u kbnow clubs are teh only thing protecting this music at the moment ,have u ever thought of that , have u thought that if u an dother dont want to pay to hear new names no 1 elase brings them ,have u ever thought that promoters have beeter things to do in life than stress all the time and makes parties and bring names for the people , im sorry man this si not goa this is athens with agoverment that is serious about laws and mostly in trance ,so i hope trageties dont break loose and we have no sceene in the end again like 4 years ago........and who ever thinks free is good see the majorety of other styles of music like techno or mainstream and see why they pay in clubs and they have an image in life ,and not a bad name as a sceene think about it,,,,,as i said this is not goa its athens if u like free and hippy cult u go there....
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 22:00
make athens into goa would u like something like that??











virava


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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 04:53
i opened a thread about opinions as for the good or bad things for the scene:

http://forum.isratrance.com/the-best-and-the-worst-things-for-trance/

we can discuss furtherly there

cheers!
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www.myspace.com/viktoronmyspace <= mySpace-artist link

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orange
Fat Data

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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 10:56




          http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
http://soundcloud.com/kymamusic
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 11:14
uu should have worn some fake rasta man on live act
we would have gotten more people there lol
orange
Fat Data

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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 12:57
next time diskonekt will perform naked and ill come dressed like a king on a donkey.
evniki will be herself we need someone with brains to hold us down...           http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
http://soundcloud.com/kymamusic
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:26
naked king why didnt i think of that ,next event roman djs night im julios ceaser ure the centuriens ehehehe
diskonekt
Fat Data

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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 19:56
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On 2007-10-19 12:57, orange wrote:
next time diskonekt will perform naked and ill come dressed like a king on a donkey.
evniki will be herself we need someone with brains to hold us down...




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