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Progression presents@Arena Club GAUDIUM - FAT DATA vs Atropa Live 13 octomer
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Agya
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 10:58
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On 2007-10-15 14:36, DETOX wrote:
Just some food for thought for everyone including my self ofcourse because two parties in a row even by a different promoter gathering both no more than 100 people in total its worrying me a little bit.
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so,i would like to share your thoughts about this problem detox... |
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 11:21
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im sorry i prefer 100 people good vibe good music
and not 1000 people to make profit and im board of hearing same names over and over again same every were there like 50000 new artists with great music
and i dont like playing oldy super star to hear the big names why dont promoters bring kindzadza ,indra,
u recken , dual core, gataka , sesto sento,
bizzare contact , dynamic , and i hear same names in greece from alsos till now nothing has changed and u go to brazil or japan or germany in parties and festivals and u hear new names we are the oldest country in the book my friends new promoters try bringing new stuff like tesaloniki also and old promoters complain why cose they think big names satisfly people , were u see a country growing from psy we are behind fyrom in parties and if u think cose astrix or gms or skazi will cut 1500 and u think this how parties sould be then tosa xserete apo musiki ,u buy new cds and u like the new artists but u coplian when they come ,and want the same names over and over ,guys wake up this guys play more than 15 years in greece ,its the same story over and over again , new names will make the scene rise like all over the world
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bms
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:04
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allow me to mention something else, as i am one of those who wanted to go this party and just didn't because 4 or 5 people/friends said don't go to Arena - its not a nice venue. I really wanted to listen to something new - i love progressive music, but also the place where an event is hosted is very important to me... no offence to anyone I hope. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:08
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First of all lets leave the profit aside because anyone who is interesting in making parties in order to make money then the last thing he will think is making psy trance parties,the myth behind psy trance parties and profit must end here because there is no profit in psy trance,one party goes good and two go average and one goes bad or even is a disaster so i dont know where the profit is on that.I know every single organiser in Athens at least and i dont know anyone who makes such a profit from making parties so that he can live out of it tottally.Instead the majority of the organisers work in the day time like ordinary people and some of them even have two jobs.If there was a lot of money involved in psy trance i doubt any of these organisers would work 8-10 hours a day to support themselves.
Also the myth concerning the good vibes must stop here too,who said that a party with 100 people has good vibes and a party with 1500 people cant have a vibe?Every party can have a vibe no matter the number,if i organise a party with 5 of my friends in my house we can have a great vibe and the same can happen if there is a party with 5000 people in a club or in the nature.If someone is trying to convince me that a club event with 50 people (because there were no more people in each of these two events) had more positive vibes than a club event with 1000 people then sorry but that person must think that we are all naive and stupid,what positive vibe did the artists created by playing in front of an empty crowd?What positive vibe did the people received from the emptyness of the club that surrounded them?Where did exactly any vibe come from?I thought that positive vibes come from the artists when they are perfoming in a happy mood and from the people when they are happy and dancing next to each other and interacting between them.I didnt know that empty space creates positive vibe on its own,if it is like that then my room right now must be the most positive vibed place in the whole world.Lets leave the crap aside Nick because like the people say OSA DEN PIANEI I ALEPOU TA KANEI KREMASTARIA and its at least funny trying to explain this awful situation at those two parties by trying to present other events with many many people as just profit making events organised by people who dont care about anything else apart profit by inviting the same and same artists again.Cut the crap please mate.
And concerning new and old names,sorry but i would prefer listening to Tristan and Dino Psaras and Etnica every day rather than listen even once to the artists that you mentioned as new in your post.Indra?Dynamic?Gataka?Sesto Sento?Bizzare Contact?These are the new names that our scene has to offer?Pop Full On Trance for kids?The guys who copy paste the Hommega artists and Astrix on every single track of them?Excuse me but if these are the new names you talk about all the time and the names that you want to bring to Athens then i am afraid you dont have many chances of attracting bigger crowds in your events.There are many new names that worth a lot out there but they are not the ones you mentioned and for sure dont come from Israel.Allaby from UK for example is a superb new name and is better than all the names you mentioned together.
Concerning Japan and Brazil and Mexico now,every artist plays there simply because all the big names are signed to the major organisations and the smaller promoters cant bring any other names rather than the names that you mentioned.In Japan Vision Quest and Solstice have signed all the well established artists so all the smaller organisations have to settle with less known names,same with Brazil and same ofcourse with Mexico,they dont choose to invite these artists,they are obliged to do that since they cant invite anyone else.
By the way please save us from funny remarks like that we are behind FYROM in the organisation of trance parties,you played in a festival there last year in front of 50 people,respectable artists whose names i wont mention were invited there in the recent past and organisers left them in the middle of nowhere with no money and no air tickets because the parties were a flop or because the party was a success and they prefered to keep the money rather than pay the artist and last but not least dont mention a country which very recently you advertised as MACEDONIA on the title of one of your topics in a party that you were supposed to play there along with Absolut Zero,you should be ashamed of that and i didnt want to ever mention this in public but you made me do it by mentioning Fyrom here and implying that Greece is behind Fyrom in psy trance parties.But i guess since you were born in the UK (ofcourse your spelling and grammar of English is another story) you dont much care whether Skopia is called FYROM or Macedonia or whatever,well guess what we do care.
Last but not least leave aside ironic comments like "tosa kserete apo mousiki" because you dont have a fucking clue what each person in here knows about music not only concerning psy trance but also in general.
You wanted a public debate,there you got it mate.
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:23
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As always :
Quantity vice-versa quality!
Money vice-versa soul!
Commercial vice-versa underground!
Massive vice-versa private!
It's time to choose where you belong...
It's time to make a stand...
May the force be your guide!
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:30
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Jedi the world is not just white and black you know,there is also grey.
The truth and real success for a good party lies somewhere in the middle young skywalker 
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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Agya
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:37
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 16:05
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this is ure opinion bring this serious names for another 100 years in athens and when every 1 waits and prays
a nice festival happens out of greece to go and hear them ,then il see what will happen cose new promoters will rise and bring new names and old mite have more people but will be same ,and yes kids are like what we were 15 years ago they should now music as today ,
plus the topic u say was posted a copy paste as the promoter gave it and plus we cancelled to play
so if u dont know reasons what happened and why we cancelled , if u think cose big names have power and bring more people ,then u live in a plastic world my friend cose small names in brazil bring more people than big 1s here, and greece could have been bigger if people had the brains 7-8 years ago to go with the flow and bring new things for the sceene ....
plus i felt more vibes in parties in the forest and in parties with 200 -300 people than with 1200 here.but each person has his opinion if open speach and we all put our thoughts u see it as a majority of old school names and comerical stuff i see to have fun
listen to new stuff and party ,mabe after hearing this names some of them 15 years now i got board mabe other share ure opinion ,but i like to live 2007 and not 1994 so i go with the flow
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 16:08
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On 2007-10-17 15:30, DETOX wrote:
Jedi the world is not just white and black you know,there is also grey.
The truth and real success for a good party lies somewhere in the middle young skywalker
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Grey leads nowhere...
Grey is the shadow that blinds us.
Grey creates mediocrity.
I prefere the blazing sun instead of clouds..
I prefere the foolmoon instead of a halfmoon...
I prefere soulful people instead of stony people...
As you say : ...only for something groovy.
We create our values and our standarts.
We put our limits.
I think everything is a matter of choice.
And there is always a choice.
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 16:11
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i gave my opinion as i feel not as other feel so its a big difrence if i live it this way sorry but i feel new blood should be helped to keep growing
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electrojoseph82
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 16:24
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On 2007-10-17 15:30, DETOX wrote:
Jedi the world is not just white and black you know,there is also grey.
The truth and real success for a good party lies somewhere in the middle young skywalker
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Grey leads nowhere...
Grey is the shadow that blinds us.
Grey creates mediocrity.
I prefere the blazing sun instead of clouds..
I prefere the foolmoon instead of a halfmoon...
I prefere soulful people instead of stony people...
As you say : ...only for something groovy.
We create our values and our standarts.
We put our limits.
I think everything is a matter of choice.
And there is always a choice.
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I agree with youre words jedi......
EVERYBODY MAKE THEIR DESCISIONS AND CHOICES.
"I AM MARRIED WITH Mrs.MUSIC"
"SAYS ELECTRO JOSEPH"
http://www.myspace.com/electrojoseph82
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 17:44
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And concerning new and old names,sorry but i would prefer listening to Tristan and Dino Psaras and Etnica every day rather than listen even once to the artists that you mentioned as new in your post.Indra?Dynamic?Gataka?Sesto Sento?Bizzare Contact?These are the new names that our scene has to offer?Pop Full On Trance for kids?The guys who copy paste the Hommega artists and Astrix on every single track of them?Excuse me but if these are the new names you talk about all the time and the names that you want to bring to Athens then i am afraid you dont have many chances of attracting bigger crowds in your events.There are many new names that worth a lot out there but they are not the ones you mentioned and for sure dont come from Israel.Allaby from UK for example is a superb new name and is better than all the names you mentioned together.
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ooh come on mike with ur words u say that everybody else should stop making music cos they are all a bad copy of astrix etc..
come on now astrix is a copy of himself the last 2 years nothing new to offer.
there are many new and great artists out there that needs support to be known and stop the monopoly of the 5-6 big names of fullon and prog.
with ur attitude against new artist they are doomed to failure and anonymity.
bring ur big name but bring a new name also and who knows maybe he will bring bigger and better vibes to ur party and start to evolve hes name and music to new heights.
i agree with u on the people quantity and vibe on a party although this doesnt mean that a party with few people cant have a good vibe if the people are enjoing the music the vibe is nice but small and difficult to see.
im not a promoter im an artist and i can say a bravo to promoters like plasmatica, moonsun and eternal motion that offer as the chance to play our music to the public even if its only 50 people but slowly people can get to see our music and we can get more bookings if we leave a good impression.
my 2 cents
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diskOtek
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 18:12
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On 2007-10-17 15:30, DETOX wrote:
Jedi the world is not just white and black you know,there is also grey.
The truth and real success for a good party lies somewhere in the middle young skywalker
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Grey leads nowhere...
Grey is the shadow that blinds us.
Grey creates mediocrity.
I prefere the blazing sun instead of clouds..
I prefere the foolmoon instead of a halfmoon...
I prefere soulful people instead of stony people...
As you say : ...only for something groovy.
We create our values and our standarts.
We put our limits.
I think everything is a matter of choice.
And there is always a choice.
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middle does not equal to mediocre my friend!
im not an 'ancient greece' fan at all and of greece in general,but our ancestors have spoken a word of wisdom about that..pan metron ariston.
if everyday was a sunny day as u prefer then u wouldn't like it that much and if it was full moon all the time than u wouldn't enjoy the magic of it if there's any after all.
create your own values and standards but please,please don't present them as the right ones.
btw,grey is just a color and brings no harm by itself.
on topic,i m sure that music that was played was great as i like both gaudium and atropa/fat data..lets hope for greater attendence on the next one! 
ps.sorry for some greek that i ve used.
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Jedi_knight
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middle does not equal to mediocre my friend!
im not an 'ancient greece' fan at all and of greece in general,but our ancestors have spoken a word of wisdom about that..pan metron ariston.
if everyday was a sunny day as u prefer then u wouldn't like it that much and if it was full moon all the time than u wouldn't enjoy the magic of it if there's any after all.
create your own values and standards but please,please don't present them as the right ones.
btw,grey is just a color and brings no harm by itself.
on topic,i m sure that music that was played was great as i like both gaudium and atropa/fat data..lets hope for greater attendence on the next one!
ps.sorry for some greek that i ve used.
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Can you define the middle between :
good and bad vibe ?
good and bad party ?
good and bad person ?
Isn't it mediocrity?
Isn't it a shadow of the real shelf?
Does it helps in some way to progress?
As for "pan metro ariston" it has to do about something variable and not about something invariable...
Our values, our standarts, our culture have to be invariable because if they don't we are like leaves on the wind...
On topic, by my standarts ,i'm sure that it was a GOOD party...
Because of good music, and good vibes...
Of course these are my opinions and i don't claim that they are the right ones...
I just like to discuss about them freely...
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diskOtek
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 11:18
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you present things in a wrong way.
there's no middle in what u say.though,a good vibe for you can be a bad vibe for me as a good party for you can be at the same time the worst i ve been.and after all who are you and i to tell if someone is a good or bad person and be objective?
that's why there's conversation..if everything was labeled and it was acceptable by all then we wouldn't have to speak and 'argue'!
can u define a good party and cover all opinions?
a good person??or maybe a good vibe?
and life's about variables and only them..
invariable is something thats stale and cannot change.
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