| |
| Author
|
Problems with Com.Pact, please help
|
Jason (LyTe)
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
43
Posts :
1626
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 02:06
|
kris, u know how much respect i hold to you. it's not wether you or b-e-i-z or anyone have a beef with this lable or another. I'm just saying there are ways of dealing such situations. acting like children at a pissing contest is not one of them, in my book, anyway.
true, the subject of label/artist relationship is a touchy one. some lables act in an improffesional manner. but it's not always the lable. sometimes you get to see artists behave in such neglect and disregard to their own art (!), but that is an entirely different issue.
the issue here is the relations between a lable and an artist. it is unfair, imo, to put either the lable AND the artist in a public forum to be kibitzed and criticized by a multitude of people, some of whom are not in know and are not aware of the full situation. it's unfair to be exposed like that, on the defensive end of a very short stick, because people here are locked on the paradigm that lables are cash hogs and that they care not about the artist but their own revenue.
I am not speaking as a lable employee of any sort, simply because i am not employed in any lable. yet, i see people here acting in complete disrespect to lables, judging their flaws without taking a second to look at themselves, to see if they are as flawless as they think. that's just plain wrong kris, and you know it. no one's perfect.
  "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
LyTe Email:TechnoLyte@gmail.com |
|
|
|
traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member
Started Topics :
234
Posts :
3803
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 03:34
|
not that it's any of my business but if mr herbal essence has not given com.pact the invoice.. well then he sure as hell can not bitch about them fucking him up cause he has actually fucked them up..
just my 2 cents..
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven |
|
|
|
Herbal-Essence
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
2
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 12:29
|
ok! ok!
you´re right, we´ve chosen the wrong forum but much to our astonishment there is a lot of feedback to our problems with compact records.
we´ve tried everything to get our money from compact but nothing happens until now!
at the first try we sent our invoice by post!
then in spring we talked personally to dj bog in oberhausen and to his wish we sent our invoice a second time but as a registered letter personally to dj bog but it returned unopened!
so what a hell it´s going on? we are waiting now for almost than a year and get no money at all!
we don´t want to convict any one but we just only want to impose our rights for what we´ve worked for = our money!
and we are not the only one! other artist also haven´t get their money from compact until now!
so it would be nice to read any comment or statement of dj bog right here in this topic!
love&peace
dustin & rené
|
|
|
|
nobody_3
Inactive User
Started Topics :
13
Posts :
1177
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 13:10
|
Hey guys..
Don't be sorry that you started this post! You're helping a lot of artist to think twice before they do business with labels that fuck their artists.
If com.pact have not paid you any money in a year even though you now send 2 invoices then they should be ashamed of themselves! We don't need labels conducting business in that way in our scene...
I will point out that I don't know the whole story but I have been in a similar situation with com.pact even though it did not take a year to get my money.... But no matter what I think or not it's time that com.pact shape up their act and treat the artists properly and with respect.... There's many stories out there about com.pact and sorry Bog and co. it seem you lost a lot of respect among artists! It's a small scene and weter the rumours are right or wrong it all come back to you and hit you hard in your face if you don't start to act properly..... You know what I mean! |
|
|
|
shulman
Shulman
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
88
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 14:36
|
just one more small thing (and very important)
the whole invoice thing is just plain BULLSHIT.
acording to the law the receiver of the money must issue an invoice AFTER he recieves the money and not before. before he gets paid he should supply a "packaging list" or "teoodat mishloah" in hebrew
and i want to explain why is this important
let say that i issue an invoice for 500$+VAT (18% in israel) which adds up to 590$ and then the label doesnt pay me or hold my payment for a long time. once i issued the invoice i need to pay 90$ to the VAT authorities and approx 200$ as income tax. now keep in mind the i didnt get any money yet... so i actually LOSE a lot of money because of the label.
on the other hand, if the label pays me money and i dont issue him an invoice (as i'm required by law to do so) all he need to do is just make one small phone call or send a letter to the tax authorities and i will pay a 100,000$ fine if im lucky
so stop the invoice crap, because its just another way of twisting things to the benefit of the labels. |
|
|
|
nobody_3
Inactive User
Started Topics :
13
Posts :
1177
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 14:43
|
I agree shulman 100% bu this is only the case when business is done inside Israel between an artist living in Israel and a label working from Israel. the law is quite different when the artist live in another country. Then the artist by law (Isralie and international) have to send the invoice first before the label can transfer/pay the money.
What I don't understand is that the labels don't contact the artist after they have send out the correctly done Royalty Statement and ask them why they haven't recieved the invoice? The labels have no problems contacting artists when they need new tracks for compilations... Why is it so hard to contact the artist when it's time to pay them? I wonder...hmmmm. |
|
|
|
Nomis
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
136
Posted : Oct 10, 2003 23:58
|
No good yaniv.
When you are dealing with far countrys (out of israel ) you dont need to collect the 18% (îò"î) becouse they are not dealing with israel tax autorothy (sorry for the bad spelling).
If an artist want mony he must give invoice in replay. since you can't take money back from artist if he wont give an invoice then the label ask it before payment.
When I sell cd's all around the world I send invoice before I get the money , and when the money come i write the a recipe (÷áìä).
that the way things work.
the label should not pay the artist under the tabel becouse is the LAW.
Artist must supply INVOICE becouse its the LAW.
(Yaniv, you made a mess with the diffrence of Invoice (HESHBONIT) and Recipe (KABALA).)
I think we need to make another thred that will be hanndle but the the furom administrator thay will include only facts.
I can ask my Account manager what ever will be ask there so things will be in order.
www.trancelucent.com - www.themistedmuppet.com - www.electrosun.net |
|
|
|
Herbal-Essence
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
2
Posted : Oct 11, 2003 11:43
|
hello elysium project
it´s good to know that you might understand our problem! it´s fucking uncool what mr. bog is doing!
you said that mr. bog is a phät shark, who has a lot of bucks and who lives in big villa with garden etc. ín israel!
but in one thing mr. bog can be sure about! should we meet him personally again in germany
we will have the teeth out of this phät shark! that´s our promise to him! why? cause we are sooo angry about his
kind of business behaviour and how badly he is treating us and other artist who signed on compact!
but nevertheless we will send another invoice to the address of bog´s father, who shall be a very honourable man!
and we will not rest untill we get our money for that we´ve worked for = our music!
Get up, stand up! Stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up! Don't give up the fight!
love&peace
dustin & rené
http://www.herbal-essence.de
raggas@t-online.de
|
|
|
|
nobody_3
Inactive User
Started Topics :
13
Posts :
1177
Posted : Oct 11, 2003 11:57
|
It's quite interesting that Bog does not care to comment on this. I know he visit this forum frequently.
Good luck mates. Keep fighting. |
|
|
|
ConTact
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
54
Posted : Oct 11, 2003 17:15
|
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
how come no one told me about this thread?????
i always enjoy a good lough
keep up the good work and all this shit:)
i really liked reading this thread:)
btw "Mr. Herbal" when this is over and u will get your money
and i can assure u that u will
it will b so little that u will only get pissed off even more:)
trust me on this one:)
u can keep up the fight for your own princeples but i recomend that u stop b4 ull get crazy no one
is ever gonna tell u that u r right:)
have a g'day mate:)
|
|
|
|
Yuli
Retired
Started Topics :
40
Posts :
1660
Posted : Oct 11, 2003 20:58
|
I have to agree with Shulman about the invoice thing. It happened not once to me in the past, that I issued invoice and got my money some half a year afterwards. Since most of the artists don't have savings accounts in Swissbanks, think how we supposed to survive these periods of time waiting for money and also to declare to the authorities we already got it and pay our taxes.
Once again I will say:
Labels are only a third party between the creators of the music to ppl that wants to hear it. Lables should be thankful for artist to come and sign in it, since without the artist the label owners would probably work in some factory, or clean houses for living. There are few 'good' label owners, that work from dawn to night in order to find solution to the hard situation of the scene and find their artists more income possibilities. Those label owners are very little and know who they are. Most of the labels ( sorry labels.. but it is quite correct imo ) are leeches / lazy ppl that found an easy way to roll around for a while, on the behalf of hard working, mostly very young creators, that the major interest in their lives is to make the 'breakthru'.. For this breakthru they will feed those sharks / leeches / lazy ppl, and feed them good, only to find -
that there was basically nothing dun to promote them except the very basic and essential that they could do by themselves.
That is the sad truth about your scene, and it doesn't get any better. Because the good ppl I have mentioned, getting less and less and leave this sick place. There is a chance for bette future and I really hope that it will happen, but objectively speaking, it is hard to see it happening soon.
A man with a "master plan" is often a woman |
|
|
|
Nomis
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
136
Posted : Oct 12, 2003 01:23
|
|
nobody4
Inactive User
Started Topics :
21
Posts :
358
Posted : Oct 12, 2003 10:37
|
To all,
I feel I need to give some counter information, although I was asked not to post here anything related to the label.
When we first started Com.pact and the first compilation Fata Morgana, we both (BOG and me) decided that we won't take our share of percentage, both as the compilers (usually 20%) and performing artists (we both had tracks on the compilations). The reason for that was that we wanted the artists to get a bigger share of the release income, and the rest of the money will be used for the label for future productions (Cosmopolite etc').
I myself also never got paid for my work on Digital Drops (USTA), for mainly the same reasons that Herbal here didn't get his money. So I guess I can't really complain.
I still haven't got paid for my share in Neurobotic - Encoder (Winds of War with Molecular), and when I do get paid, I know its not going to be even enough to pay back any phone call I would have made to Italy to "bang on tables" for that money, simply because the share is so small, its meaningless (not Eduardo's fault, its actually your fault for downloading instead of buying)
Now, you keep reciting the mantra "we do this for the love of music" - yet you are ready to kill everybody in sight, shit into the well you are drinking from for 100-200$, and many times not even that.
"easy money!? !third party leeches"? Why don't you say that to your mother label HOMmega Yuli, who sponsored the printing, shipping and maybe also promoting of your latest album? I'm sure they will love to hear that. And if we are so useless, why don't you open your own pocket and release your own work? This way you won't have to deal with us leeches that only care to make a "quick buck" out of your work.
Answer - why should you do this when there are people who will put their money for you on the line?
And also - without the labels, most artists would never get the chance to see their work being printed on hard copy, mainly for the reasons given above. It's a symbiosis, and one will not work without the other (unless the artist doesn't care about releasing, which is a totally different issue).
To all of you - The labels, this meaningless third party is the one who is putting its money on the line every time you release something through it. The labels carry the economic weight of the release, paying for design, printing, many times shipping, handling promotions (you have no idea how a promo list of internationals can be expensive to handle), bookings, and in many cases selling themselves your material through the label website (which costs money to maintain).
I really hope this is the last time I need to justify myself here. We do our work, hoping (like artists) that we could do the thing we love and also live from it. Unfortunately, for reasons discussed in other topics, no one profits from the psy-trance music industry today. This might be one of the best advices for young artists…
regards,
A
auspexx@compact-records.com |
|
|
|
Yuli
Retired
Started Topics :
40
Posts :
1660
Posted : Oct 12, 2003 12:07
|
Well Tal,
Somehow I was 99% sure u gonna answer straight away to my post and take it the most personally u can. As u maybe noticed, I stated that most of the labels are like what I wrote and not ALL of them, which is maybe semanthics, but quite an important little detail. So, I didn't say anything about your boss or your label, since I have no dispute with u guys, and I dont like spreading rumors that I hear cuz it is irresponsible and majorly irrelevant.
About HOMmega, since u asked.. As every business relationship, we had our peaks and lower times. I released two full length albums at Eyal's label, and on one side I can't say I was fully satisfied with what came out from it ( and neither Eyal btw ) - but on the other, I can say that 90% of the time I had a delay of payments I got a phone from him, explaining me that he has a hard time and this way giving me the feel of one that cares about what he does.
So I hope this answer partially shades some light on Eyal's and mine relationship if u were interested to know 
About sponsoring, my friend... Your big problem is that sometime u say things that put you with the back to the wall.. It is something like to score a goal into your own team If I was new in this business, I would get full of awesomity feeling now, and go wow, yeah, u sponsor me so heavily I must kiss your behind right now... But, since I know little bit of costs, I must tell you that a full production of 2000 CD ( numbers I give is kinda lowest and basic, ok? ) will run around 15000NIS ( 3500USD for non Israeli's ) NOT including the fee for the artist, only production. Even if the label will sell the product for the ridiculous 5EURO ( Usually it will be around 6.5 or 7 ) to distribution, u will get 10000EURO if u sell it all ofcourse, but even if u sell half of it u have covered your expences, and your fault u sell only 1000 copies of a product - don't deal with it if that is the case.
So, the numbers I gave are not a fake, and that is very real with a BIG safe side towards the label.
For your questions Tal, thank you for careing, UNLESS Danni and me will have a VERY NICE suggestion, we will release our Live Album by ourselves by the spring of 2004. Hope that makes u understand my point of view even more.
About ppl put their money on the line... Artist that put's his money on the line.. lets see.. Album takes some 3 / 4 months to make in a very fast scenario it is 4 sallaries + living costs while in studio + cost of equipment etc.. I would roughly state that artist paid, before giving the product to the label some 6 or 7 THOUSAND USD to create an album.
So u dont need to justify yourself. Since I never said anything about u personally.
Labels ARE third parties that have to be THANKFULL for every good sound they get from the artists, since without these songs, Tal, you will be UNEMPLOYED.
Thank you for reading and understanding
A man with a "master plan" is often a woman |
|
|
|
timsensient
Sensient
Started Topics :
101
Posts :
438
Posted : Oct 12, 2003 14:02
|
|
I think labels get it pretty good...for typical artist album the labels gets around %80 of profits and the artist gets %20...the label better be doing some damn good promotion. |
|
|
|
|
|
